KK but TP pairs board

[Silly String]

Villain is a total loose fish. 75/25 and has tried to stack off with overs earlier, but hit an Ace. He also flopped a straight vs. a KK's normal raise with 98o. I have never seen him raise 7x PF before.

What is standard when your big flop bet is called and the turn pairs the TP?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($53.80)
SB ($33.55)
BB ($83.75)
Hero ($50)
MP ($77.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $6.50.

Flop: ($20.25) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12.

Turn: ($44.25) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero???

Final Pot: $16.25

[Robert]

Against an unknown I would often check the turn and get allin on the river. Against this guy I would happily stick the rest in on the turn though (you only little more than a ½potsized bet left) - if he's as loose as you say he will call with any 9, TT/JJ and possibly 88/77/66 and JT (straight draw) plus the pot is big enough to justify an allin even if he folds a decent amount of the time.

[WildBobAA]

I'm checking behind and calling/value betting river.

[Miffed22001]

bet/fold anyone?

[Ash256]

bet/fold anyone?

But doesn't the queen usually call for deception and anything worse fold?

I hate this spot, best I can think of is check behind and call up to 1/2 pot on river.

[Robert]

Guys, the pot is 44 and hero only has 28 left on the turn

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

i would make small turn and river bets against this opponent, since i doubt he would fold a hand like 9-x if he is getting a great price to call on both streets.

I think against a weak opponent i would check turn/bet river, but against a smart opponent i like shoving the turn.

[Ash256]

i would make small turn and river bets against this opponent, since i doubt he would fold a hand like 9-x if he is getting a great price to call on both streets.

DING-DING-DING.


lol ty Robert, didn't notice that.

[snowbird4life]

check the turn and call/value bet river.

[Halv]

I'd just stick it in right now.

That's not a "big flop bet" btw, I'd make it 17 or so.

[Chopper]

i cant see us getting away from this hand. time for valuecity. something like $12?

heres a question, though: what cards scare US on the river? an A?

does that make us shut down?

[Silly String]

I'd just stick it in right now.

That's not a "big flop bet" btw, I'd make it 17 or so.

I 3bet light often enough that I try to make my standard c-bet size 2/3rds pot. This time I wanted a call from the loose fish so I probably dropped the bet a couple BBs. If I stick it in, am I getting called by worse hands? If no, than am I pushing any better hands off?

It sounds like people think we don't have a choice but to get it all in here. I don't know how I feel about that. Granted it is a 3bet pot and I have put 1/2 of my stack in the middle before the turn, but I still have 1/2 of my stack to protect right? I also feel any bet will commit us. So now it comes down to check behind and give up a free river or bet(value or push) and commit ourselves. What is standard here? How about vs. a standard TAG? What about a float capable sLAG or sTAG? Vs. a nit, I assume this is a chk/fold 100% of the time?

[Silly String]

FWIW, I pushed the turn because I figured it I would have to call a push from the player as a possible bluff. He folded and I never saw a showdown.
I'm guessing I should have given him the rope to hang himself b/c I doubt I can push a better hand off his holding here, but I might make more from a bluff.
I think my line was the worst of the possibilities(value bet, push, c/c, c/f). I make the least from a 2nd best hand, and I lose the most from better hands.

[bode]

bet $15 on the flop, you would have less than 1/2 psb so pushing the turn becomes the only real option imo

[mixchange]

you played it fine, but I bet more on the flop, make it $18. that sets up a turn pot that makes a turn push be a smaller bet.

I don't like a turn check, plenty of stuff can peel off on the river to beat us or kill action.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

definitely like a turn shove. It's not like your folding the river anyway...

[wouterpoker]

what about raising bigger preflop here to about 13? or is it normal to make this "smaller" 3-bet here to keep the fish in the pot? raising more preflop and on the flop leads to an easy turn shove.

[Genitruc]

insta ship all in and laugh when you are snap-called by AA and a ton of other pairs

[Miffed22001]

if we bet 18 on flop we cant fold turn anyway with out stack versus pot size.