Quote Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill
We are getting 3:1 pot odds on this river bet. So, if we need approximately 25% equity to call and villain is never folding to a river shove, then shoving becomes +EV if we have >25% equity.
I dont understand that logic. If we have 25% equity then that means we expect to be behind but are calling for pot odds. In order for a shove to be better than calling there need to be more hands that call us and lose, than call us and win.

In this hand his range is bla and we have 25% equity. We win one time for every 3 times we lose. Getting 3:1 from the pot makes a call fine 0EV.

But we have 3 more behind to shove. When we shove we still expect to win 25% since he never folds. Also our effective pot odds 6:4 since we now win 6 every time were ahead and lose 4 every time were behind.

So the 3 times we lose well lose 4 for a total of -12. The one time we win well win 6 for +6. Total EV in -6 which sucks.

All weve done is decided we are probably losing, decided we have good pot odds, and then decided to make our pot odds worse for some reason.