I fold KK -standard?

Just sat down, this is my 2nd orbit so no viable stats. Button seems like he could be the fish at the table, he's sitting with less than a buyin at a 200BB table. The rest seem to be regs of some sort though I don't recognize them. I guess this kind of decision is probably neutral ev in the long run, but I hadn't folded KK preflop in a while so wanted to make sure this was the time to do it.


No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($850.40)
MP ($1486.07)
Button ($330.73)
SB ($3461.62)
Hero (BB) ($785.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
UTG bets $14, MP calls $14, Button raises $36, 1 fold, Hero raises $108.50, UTG raises $187, 1 fold, Button raises $294.73 (All-In), Hero FOLDS????

UTG 5bet is lol

- I think folding isn't bad with these stacks and after that action

fold looks good

Yah I would snap fold probably... small 5bet and another shove.. yikes.

Snapmuck. Much more interesting is that if you tanked before folding then UTG should also fold KK even though he is getting insane odds.

ok, fold it GOD IT HURTS

yeah...that's consensus. I folded and UTG had KK and Button obv had AA. At least I didn't fk this one up.

Originally Posted by sauce123

ok, fold it GOD IT HURTS

this sums up my thoughts pretty well.

I have a question:

- everything is same (stacks, action, no reads), but now we are UTG - how would you play QQ, KK, AA and AK after BB cold 4bet??

probably the same (snap muck everything but AA and groan and fold KK). It's just so unlikely button is squeezing anything but JJ+ and people don't expect other people to make big folds....which is why you should make big folds sometimes.

def not folding KK if I was UTG, Hero is isolating pretty wide here (like TT+, AQ+) at least since button is a donk (unless donk is like 80/0)