Have to call this flop, right?

Both players are solid. $1195 to call for a $6k main pot. I read zcream for an overpair and jockesv for a draw or set. Playing around with pokerstove I'm getting odds against most reasonable ranges for these 2 all ins to happen but its all guesswork.

** Game ID 1515126422 starting - 2007-07-24 02:33:53
** Sirpa Lane [Hold 'em] (10.00|20.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Mr-x sitting in seat 1 with $2217.00
- jockesv sitting in seat 2 with $2668.00 [Dealer]
- b94a sitting in seat 3 with $1473.94
- Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 4 with $1930.00
- KalleKanin sitting in seat 5 with $2037.00
- zcream sitting in seat 6 with $3028.50

b94a posted the small blind - $10.00
Cocco_Bill posted the big blind - $20.00
** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: King of Spades, King of Hearts
KalleKanin folded
zcream raised - $70.00
Mr-x folded
jockesv called - $70.00
b94a folded
Cocco_Bill raised - $245.00
zcream called - $245.00
jockesv called - $245.00

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 8 of Diamonds, 4 of Hearts
Cocco_Bill bet - $520.00
zcream went all-in - $2783.50
jockesv went all-in - $2423.00
Cocco_Bill ?

ugh, i wish the pot odds were worse it would make this a ton easier.

Given odds I think we should call, you only have to be ahead like 15% of the time. BUT im not happy about it.

I think you have already answered your own question..

how can jockcv call with < 33% equity? Is he a moron? If he has a draw, he has to have at least 12-15 outs.

I'm worried one of them has you drawing to 2 outs or less (AA, set, 56)

Originally Posted by zenbitz

how can jockcv call with < 33% equity? Is he a moron? If he has a draw, he has to have at least 12-15 outs.

I'm worried one of them has you drawing to 2 outs or less (AA, set, 56)

true. i think you need to fold here. too high a chance that jokesvy has you drawing close to dead.
zcream more likely has the draw or overpair.

i dont think you can call with both of them showing so much strength.

If you checked flop, cream led potish then jockesv shoved would you fold?

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Playing around with pokerstove I'm getting odds against most reasonable ranges for these 2 all ins to happen but its all guesswork.

Well it's all guessing anyway and I don't see how we can do much better 'guesswork'. Pokerstove is a godsend for multiway pots...

It's hard to fold given these pot odds. Still, it looks like you might only have one out (Kc), unless you are ahead of course.

Had your cbet been the size of the pot, your decision would be much easier here...

Woah, yeah, why such a small c-bet?

They had AJs and QQ a best case scenario with about 48% equity.

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Diamonds, 8 of Diamonds, 4 of Hearts
Cocco_Bill bet - $520.00
zcream went all-in - $2783.50
jockesv went all-in - $2423.00
Cocco_Bill went all-in - $1185.00

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: King of Diamonds
zcream shows: Queen of Clubs, Queen of Hearts
jockesv shows: Jack of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
Cocco_Bill shows: King of Spades, King of Hearts
jockesv wins $5857.00 from the main pot
jockesv wins $7293.00 from side pot 1

End of game 1515126422