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 Originally Posted by dalecooper
and the hand has little value other than that.
Not necessarily true as the A can be quite important when we're semibluffing gutshots+A or NFD.
Getting 2 streets of value from hands like JJ/QQ/KK when we have position and their hand is 2nd pair is not uncommon at my stakes.
2 pair should bring us money as well as trips and the nut flush.
Of course those do not happen that often, but they're big pot hands.
Originally Posted by dalecooper
You end up dominated against stronger aces too often to make it profitable playing for top pair
This is also not necessarily true as long as you don't take your TP too far and/or villain is double barreling A high flops often.
Originally Posted by dalecooper
so you're just looking for the outside possibility of a flush, which usually ends up being a draw, which means you chase and miss - or hit and are rewarded with a fold.
That's a pretty negative way to look at playing a NFD imo. I think against most villains having the NFD on the flop in position is a +EV situation from there on, long term.
Originally Posted by dalecooper
I'd much rather play suited connectors, even though your flush draws with those aren't to the nuts.
This is the general consensus, and that's all I really know about it. Yes they flop a SD besides the FD (compared to Axs) about 9,6% of times, but there are so many other things to compare, some of which I am trying to explore now.
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