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  1. #1

    Default Does b/f look okay here?

    Villain is spewy and fishy looking running 39/21 over 25 hands. I've seen him limp/call 33 utg. Part from that no real reads.

    I'm wondering whether I should just c/f the turn instead of b/f. I mean he has stuff like A4 A5 67 etc buy maybe not enough for this bet to actually be +EV, even though I expect him to be stationy. He has more 3s in his range than most villains would here and plenty 2 pair combos with this turn card. Does c/f look better?

    $0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($125.80)
    CO RHGJ ($105.30)
    BTN racum ($129)
    SB Ares22Ares ($74.50)
    BB Egostrip ($100)

    Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $3.50, RHGJ calls $3.50, 3 folds

    Flop: ($8.50, 2 players)
    Hero bets $5.50, RHGJ calls $5.50

    Turn: ($19.50, 2 players)
    Hero bets $11, RHGJ raises to $25, Hero folds

    Final Pot: $55.50

    RHGJ wins $53.50 (net +$19.50)

    Hero lost $20
  2. #2
    Apparently I'm the biggest spewey retard out there but I never even consider c/fing the turn. I think c/c is slightly better than b/f, and those are the only two options I am going to look at.

    Some players will raise small here with hands like 7-6, 6-4, 7-5 type hands, so they can see a cheap showdown or set themselves up to bluff on the river. I hate having to bet/fold to those types of hands, and I think that his hands like A-4/A-5 are folding the turn a lot, and his hands like 6-7 and 7-5 are betting the turn a lot if you check.

    If he has a hand like 6-5 even you have a decent amount of outs (6 outs for higher two pair, 2 set outs, 4 straight outs, and 4 three's for a split).

    My rule of thumb is usually not to fold overpairs against spewtards. I'll always try to find a way to pot control if I'm worried I'm beat.
  3. #3
    Think Im playing it the same way as you C-Dawg. Maybe I b/f a little more on the turn.
  4. #4
    bet larger on the flop
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  5. #5
    I mean.. you call villain fishy and spewy. Maybe I'm a station but if I'm betting 11 into 19 with this hand on this board, it's with the intention of inducing a bluff from him. Not really to fold.

    I'd rather just c/c here and let him try stealing and re-eval river. He probably gets to turn with tons of overcards and stuff, especially all Ax hands.
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    I mean.. you call villain fishy and spewy. Maybe I'm a station but if I'm betting 11 into 19 with this hand on this board, it's with the intention of inducing a bluff from him. Not really to fold.

    I'd rather just c/c here and let him try stealing and re-eval river. He probably gets to turn with tons of overcards and stuff, especially all Ax hands.
    Yah I should clarify my villain description: I don't have many hands on this guy, nor a read to suggest he will bluff raise this turn here, and I'm not trying to induce a raise. He just looks like a stationy bad fish that plays too many hands and probably isn't a major fan of folding often.

    I feel like he can jus peel again with a lot of Ax stuff 67, 1 pair hands and am betting small for value to allow all of his weak hands to continue here. If I had a read that he is spewy enough to raise Ax here on this turn I'd not b/f.

    I didn't want him checking back these shitty hands he'll call a small bet with.
  7. #7
    Betting the 6 on the turn can induce a lot of bluffs from this type of player because it hits his perceived range really well and he should expect you to have a very polarized betting range here. I mean most one pair hands would probably c/c down in this spot rather than betting. Against a laggy spewy villain these bluffs might come more often. I agree with griff that if i am betting here im probably calling a raise as well. IMO c/cing down in this spot would be best.
  8. #8
    I would bet more (3/4 pot) flop and turn and I would def fold to a raise on turn.
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    What's your river plan if he flats the turn?
  10. #10
    C/Fold on river. I dont see any hand that we beat he might want to vbet river with or bluff with.
  11. #11
    What do you think about the thought process?

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