Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
Quote Originally Posted by pokerroomace
also, 4betting pf and then folding to a 5bet is a viable option right? you would have about 30% of your stack in the pot when you 4bet (assuming 100bb stacks).
what sort of hand can you fold in this spot? obviously hands like 76s, but hands like ATs you can also fold easily right?
It depends wht hands you're 4-betting with, and how deep you are. If you're 100bb's deep and you 4-bet, and the guy 5-bet pushes, you're often facing 2:1 on your call.

In this spot, I'd say you should definitely be calling with hands like ATs, because unless he has AA, you are getting the right price at 2:1 for the call. All you need is one live card to make a call getting 2:1.
AKo vs ATs is about 69% vs 31%. less than 2 to 1!
KK vs ATs is about 67% vs 33%. exactly 2 to 1.
AA vs ATs is 86% vs 14%. way less than 2 to 1!

you don't have the odds to call with ATs and listed above is probably 90% of their range. the other 10% is a bluff which we do beat.
also usually you have slightly less than 2 to 1 in this situation.