Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
I'm still slightly confused about the people advocating flatting the 4bet. Is it because you think 5bet shoving allows him to play perfectly?

It's interesting because it seems that taking AK out of our 5bet shoving range is a nice adjustment because it makes 4bet/calling QQ and down worse for the villain then he thinks and it'll take him forever to figure out what's happening.

Also it strengthens our 4bet calling range if we have one. Do people you people flat 4bets IP much?
I'm -EV stacking of to AK/JJ+ here, so I have to have villain stacking of with AQ, or I have to have a decent amount of FE. (neither I thought was the case)

This is the first time I've called a 4bet for real. As I thought shoving is -EV and I could be making a slight profit from calling by basically hit and hope villain has JJ/QQ/AQ, I thought calling was best.

I can imagine calling 4bets more often with a big SC when stacks are over 100bb and villain is polarised and rarely cbetting with air.