2 Spots where I fold overpairs on the turn. Line checks.

1. Villain is 22/17 and 3-bets 2% over ~200 hands. So yeah, I just feel like this is KK+ a huge amount after he makes this turn bet.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($50.25)
Hero (UTG) ($70.50)
MP ($82.25)
CO ($101.35)
Button ($50)
SB ($57.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises $8.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($20.50) 5, 2, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

Turn: ($43.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $20.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $43.50


2. Villain is 24/21 with a 10% 3 bet over 75 hands. Cold caller is a tightish looking reg running 18/15.

Having called the flop multiway with the presence of the cold caller I have no idea what he thinks I'm now folding so again feel like my equity sucks. I almost wanna fold flop but 50NL regs c bet way too much in 3 bet pots in retarded spots so meh.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($50)
BB ($52.35)
UTG ($28.75)
MP ($34.50)
Hero (CO) ($51.35)
Button ($117.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, Button raises $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($15.25) 10, 9, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $7.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $7.25

Turn: ($29.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $51, Hero folds

Total pot: $29.75

1) I don't like a call pre, unless your image is pretty loose vs this villain. He will be rarely doing this is with junk and in the best case scenario he has AK and we're flipping. As played fold turn.

2) On flop you called after cold caller folded, so you were already HU and not 3way anymore. You need to put $38 to win $68 so 1-1.78, we need 35% equity. Let's say he jams QQ+, TT-99, 66, 87s and QJs, AK:

Board: Td 9c 6s 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.210% 33.21% 00.00% 4296 0.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 66.790% 66.79% 00.00% 8640 0.00 { QQ+, TT-99, 66, AKs, QJs, 87s, AKo }

So we have almost the needed equity, adding that he might not bet this way some of the sets I think we have to call.

2) No idea why we'd give him this many combos of bluffs in this spot. Although we were already HU, the fact I called a c-bet whioch he made into 2 other opponents, one being a cold caller is still relevant to his bluffing frequencies and should make them a lot lower than if I were to just flat a c-bet tha the made in a 2 way pot.

I feel your range is a bit too optimistic even though he probably doesn't have sets here too often. Also doubt we see hands like 66 or QJs.

1) Meh it's only a 200 hand sample, and we have QQ with a lot of dead money on the table. 4bet and get it in.

2) I play it the same.

both of your flop calls are lighting money on fire

Originally Posted by nutsinho

both of your flop calls are lighting money on fire

this.

Its really hard to ever get to showdown taking this line and so the flop call becomes redundant.

So I should fold the flop in both if I'm not happy to stack off, still defo don't think I should be felting either of these spots.

I flatted floip in 1. thinking at the time that villain's range was probably QQ+ AK with perhaps the odd random hand, but very rarely. If he c-bets here I don't expect him to shove the turn too often but then with his equity it's defo possible, also even vs AK I don't have super awesome equity on this board. So can get behind folding flop one hand 1, but then am I happy to peel small c-bets on on boards where AK has less equity and is less likely to jam turns on me? If not I should just fold preflop barring some read villain wont c-bet worse.

In H2 I agree flop call is probably bad. He just isn't c-betting 3 ways here vs a cold caller with worse enough. Think his range on the turn is pretty damn strong so defo need to be not stacking off imo. This guy's more aggro than V in hand 1, lots of turns turns suck if I do call and yeah think flop is a fold upon reflection.

So lesson here is: don't make marginal flop calls that are either barely +EV or not at all in a vacuum in spots where we don't even get to showdown super often when we have the best hand and aren't happy to call a 2nd street?

If I'm off on this and you meant something else nuts, please let me know!

Hand 1: fold preflop? if you do call definately fold flop.
Hand 2: I would call flop and fold turn
Is calling this flop on H2 a massive leak? I would almost always call here...