2 hands with Juandog111

Juandog111 is my opponent in both hands (if you know him). Multi-tabler that can get cute, but usually pretty easy to read.

I have him at 27/11/2.18

I've been playing a little spewy today and he knows my lead into the pot could be a lot of things.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($130.60)
MP ($60)
Button ($100)
SB ($19)
Fnord ($156.85)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with 9, 8. MP posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, MP (poster) checks, 2 folds, Fnord checks.

Flop: ($3.50) 9, A, 9 (3 players)
Fnord bets $3, UTG calls $3, MP folds.

Turn: ($9.50) J (2 players)
Fnord bets $7, UTG calls $7.

River: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
Fnord bets $14, UTG raises to $43, Fnord tanks....

juandog111 said, "you dont have a 9"
juandog111 said, "do you"

Fnord folds

Fnord said, "Maybe"
juandog111 said, "no"
juandog111 said, "definitely not"

A couple hands later....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($154.60)
SB ($59.90)
BB ($100)
UTG ($18.50)
Fnord ($131.35)

Preflop: Fnord is MP with J, J.
1 fold, Fnord raises to $3, Button calls $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($10) 8, 8, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $7, Button raises to $20, SB folds, Fnord calls $13.

Turn: ($50) 2 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets $25, Fnord raises to $108.35 ALL YOU CAN EAT BABY

the angle shoot in hand 1 does tend to make me think he has a 9, you cant fold this getting ~3:1. Hand 2 is fine given hand 1.

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

the angle shoot in hand 1 does tend to make me think he has a 9, you cant fold this getting ~3:1.

You so silly.

given hand 1 and you beleiving he has it then hand 2 is cool

lol at chat, opp obv has both 99s and therefore,ergo knows you dont have a 9

1 is tough. Depends on what you've shown down when you made spewy plays. Could go either way, but I'd prob call.

2- I like a small 3bet on this flop, to 50-55.

He folds to my shove.

6th street action
Fnord said, "You certainly didn't have an 8"
juandog111 said, "nice bet"
Fnord said, "I had you crushed"
BJohansen said, "i have the 8"
BJohansen said, "before"
juandog111 said, "not crushed"
BJohansen said, "realy"
juandog111 said, "i had potential"
Fnord said, "Fair enough, still not going to see a cheap river against me"
juandog111 said, "i could have"

Why the 3xbb bet preflop? I assume it's because of people 3-betting light. Is this standard for you now or just certain tables?

Originally Posted by Fnord

juandog111 said, "you dont have a 9"
juandog111 said, "do you"

What made you think something good was talking and that he wasn't leveling?

His afterthought looked like he had it, but his line doesn't look like he has it, unless he's trying some cutesy limp-raise from EP.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by Fnord

juandog111 said, "you dont have a 9"
juandog111 said, "do you"

What made you think something good was talking and that he wasn't leveling?

His afterthought looked like he had it, but his line doesn't look like he has it, unless he's trying some cutesy limp-raise from EP.

Yeah, his line looks kinda like A9 or AA hoping the flush gets there. I think AA would raise on the turn though being more sure we could have a 9. But the fact that he has the tendancy to be "cute" and we have a spewy image makes me pretty torn between calling and folding. I think the table talk makes my decision for me though and I fold.

hand 1: all his talking makes you think yeah he has you beat. But without it this seems like a super easy call. I really don't think he has a 9 here a lot, but i just don't see people talk without a hand.

hand 2: What reads do you have that make you do this?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

hand 2: What reads do you have that make you do this?

He doesn't play his best hands that fast and the turn bet looks like a dark tunnel bet.

I think hand 1 is an easy fold if you think your opponent is half decent.

I don't really get the point of a push on hand 2. I'd call and just call any non diamond, non heart river. If it comes diamond or heart i'd push any river.

Hand 1 I think its a fold because the line in a limped pot looks like how a lot of strong 9s or FH (especially FH) would play -- call full pot bets, then try to get paid on river hoping opponent catches up a bit. You've also shown strength the whole way so I don't see how he doesn't have it here.

Hand 2 - Mass, you getting soft on us man? I thought you were a pushing machine!.

I like the turn push. We have a PSB left if we just call and lots of danger cards to come (tough river to play -- any heart, diamond, queen, king, or A might have us beat). Any meaningful raise (say $75) is enough that we might as well just go AI right then. I don't want to see another card, and $75 is a nice pot to take with jacks.

hand 1 I fold when he talks. If he clams up.... it's close. Me no like to fold trips.

hand 2 is almost yeti rule, but for the 2 diamonds. Nice two-way since he might fold QQ!

Originally Posted by Massimo

I don't really get the point of a push on hand 2. I'd call and just call any non diamond, non heart river. If it comes diamond or heart i'd push any river.

I want to make sure I'm getting this because I don't play in very skilled or aggressive games. Are you trying to level villain when you push a flushed river so it won't go to showdown if he does happen to have a flush which he won't call with on a double paired board?

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why the 3xbb bet preflop? I assume it's because of people 3-betting light. Is this standard for you now or just certain tables?

Yeah, makes it easier to fold to 3-bets, avoids out of control pots OOP, sometimes allows me to call re-raises (particularly from people who make really silly ones) and encourages loosish badish players to play hands against me from the blinds.

can he have A9s UTG here as well as JJ ?
The more i look at one the more i get and like 2 but im a station and cant get over folding in 1.

the talk on #1 makes me think he likes his hand, but you might still chop with a few 9s, but lose to AA A9 J9. hmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by Massimo

I don't really get the point of a push on hand 2. I'd call and just call any non diamond, non heart river. If it comes diamond or heart i'd push any river.

I want to make sure I'm getting this because I don't play in very skilled or aggressive games. Are you trying to level villain when you push a flushed river so it won't go to showdown if he does happen to have a flush which he won't call with on a double paired board?

I'm sorry, i meant check/push. If Fnord is sure he doesn't have an 8 or a 2, then it's still possible that he has some kind of FD. If he does hit a flush, he'll most likely bet an amount that will allow room to push him out. If a blank comes c/c is probably best against a guy who wants to make some moves on you.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by Massimo

I don't really get the point of a push on hand 2. I'd call and just call any non diamond, non heart river. If it comes diamond or heart i'd push any river.

I want to make sure I'm getting this because I don't play in very skilled or aggressive games. Are you trying to level villain when you push a flushed river so it won't go to showdown if he does happen to have a flush which he won't call with on a double paired board?

I'm sorry, i meant check/push. If Fnord is sure he doesn't have an 8 or a 2, then it's still possible that he has some kind of FD. If he does hit a flush, he'll most likely bet an amount that will allow room to push him out. If a blank comes c/c is probably best against a guy who wants to make some moves on you. If it comes an A-Q, you could still c/p if you feel he'll fold anything but a full house.

Do you really think he's going to see any point in betting the flush if Fnord calls him on the turn? There can't be any value in it. I kind of the open pushline more.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Do you really think he's going to see any point in betting the flush if Fnord calls him on the turn? There can't be any value in it. I kind of the open pushline more.

Hey may check behind the flush, but i don't like open shoving because it just looks kinda like a bluff. If he checks behind the flush, well he sucked out and you can't do anything about it. C/p is just a sick line because it reps an 8 very very well. Even if the villain decides to bet something like $40 on the river, he would still have a tough time calling a push. Hopefully he doesn't just straight up shove (although if he did i'd probably call anyways because it'd make no sense).

Actually, now that i look at the pot size, an openshove would kinda make sense, so it's do-able. You have a lot of options, it just depends on what you think the player is going to respond to in your favor.

a c/small push would be a Sauce-esque play though.

Everytime I try to do something Sauce-esque I'm quickly reminded that I'm not Sauce...