2/4: flop the nuts (deep)

Originally Posted by OngBonga

The concept of getting him off the split seems ludicrous.

What are you people smoking? We'll show EV = pot/2 = $378 immediate profit if we get him off the split. That's alotta cheese...

It so happens that's also my favorite move in the unlimited two card holdems. Getting them off the splittings of the potmoneys. Especially funny when there's like five consecutive cards on the board, ie straight. Or even five of the same symbol and colour, ie flush.

I always try to think like Jedi Master Yoda: Play the board you shall not!

Originally Posted by pocketfours

What are you people smoking?

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That's alotta cheese...

You answered the question for me.

I'm just gonna quietly view this thread because like I say, this is way out of my depth, I should probably have kept my opinion to myself. What I meant with my "ludicrous" comment was simply that I don't ever see us pushing this guy off a chop, it seem ludicrous to consider it in this spot, not just in general.

Anyway, there's a rock here to hide behind.

How was this thread not over 20+ posts ago?

To make a nice summary:

1) 3bet flop larger
2) this is the most trivial value shove ever
3) you are never getting villain off a split
4) just because he hasn't 3bet in 120 hands does not mean he is never 3betting premium hands
5) not sure if you noticed but two pair otf does not have a full house otr

And finally for perhaps the first time in months someones EVER posted a pokerstove output in a thread:

Board: Qs Kc Td 8d 8c

Hand 0: 28.125% 18.75% 09.38% 9 4.50 { KK-QQ, TT, AJs, KQs, KTs, J9s, AJo, KQo, KTo, J9o }
Hand 1: 71.875% 62.50% 09.38% 30 4.50 { AdJs }


This doesn't even discount QQ or KK which we can expect to 3bet preflop at least some % of the time. I think we can leave it at that.