2/4: flop the nuts (deep)

Fuuuuuuckin hell.

I'm well out of my depth at this level, so fuck knows why I'm gonna throw my 2c in, but villain is 46/25, he's a fish, there's tons of 2pr combos in his range, not to mention J9 or even AA. Raise flop more, shove flop to reraise. He's calling 2pr and better since AA and AK are most definitely in your range and probably play like this from the perspective of a 46/25 donk. As played, fuck it, shove river. Yeah we lose to boat sometimes, but this guy isn't folding his flopped 2pr to a 3rd of pot shove when you can easily have AA/AK, hands that he beats. There's more hands in his range that we beat than hands that we lose to, assuming he calls all his range to a shove it's got to be +ev.

"get him off the split? no one is folding AJ here in all of ever."

I agree with this. Well, maybe not the term "no one", but no 46/25 folds AJ here in all of ever. The concept of getting him off the split seems ludicrous.

Ok sorry for sticking my head into the big boy's room, I'll go back to penny poker.

*edit he doesn't beat AA after the river, sorry. Still think he calls a shove with his entire flop raising range though.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

The concept of getting him off the split seems ludicrous.

What are you people smoking? We'll show EV = pot/2 = $378 immediate profit if we get him off the split. That's alotta cheese...

It so happens that's also my favorite move in the unlimited two card holdems. Getting them off the splittings of the potmoneys. Especially funny when there's like five consecutive cards on the board, ie straight. Or even five of the same symbol and colour, ie flush.

I always try to think like Jedi Master Yoda: Play the board you shall not!

Originally Posted by pocketfours

What are you people smoking?

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That's alotta cheese...

You answered the question for me.

I'm just gonna quietly view this thread because like I say, this is way out of my depth, I should probably have kept my opinion to myself. What I meant with my "ludicrous" comment was simply that I don't ever see us pushing this guy off a chop, it seem ludicrous to consider it in this spot, not just in general.

Anyway, there's a rock here to hide behind.

How was this thread not over 20+ posts ago?

To make a nice summary:

1) 3bet flop larger
2) this is the most trivial value shove ever
3) you are never getting villain off a split
4) just because he hasn't 3bet in 120 hands does not mean he is never 3betting premium hands
5) not sure if you noticed but two pair otf does not have a full house otr

And finally for perhaps the first time in months someones EVER posted a pokerstove output in a thread:

Board: Qs Kc Td 8d 8c

Hand 0: 28.125% 18.75% 09.38% 9 4.50 { KK-QQ, TT, AJs, KQs, KTs, J9s, AJo, KQo, KTo, J9o }
Hand 1: 71.875% 62.50% 09.38% 30 4.50 { AdJs }


This doesn't even discount QQ or KK which we can expect to 3bet preflop at least some % of the time. I think we can leave it at that.