2/4 - deeeep and bluffing

-There's no real big dynamic at all between the two of us. We haven't really had any hands together today at all
-I have an old note (few weeks) that he tripled QTxx9 and bet 129 into 190 on river and folded to my shove
-If he's been keeping track of my button opening, I have been stealing a ton, all for a min-raise
-not sure what he thinks of my cbet %
-thoughts on a bluff here? Wasn't sure if he'd necessarily c/r QJ on the flop that often, given how deep we were.


$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
4 Players
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Stacks:
CO ($466.80)
griffey24 (BTN) ($872)
SB ($1,840.90)
BB ($296)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is BTN
1 fold, griffey24 raises to $8, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($20, 2 players)
SB checks, griffey24 bets $14, SB raises to $50, griffey24 calls $36

Turn: ($120, 2 players)
SB bets $90, griffey24 calls $90

River: ($300, 2 players)
SB bets $199, griffey24 goes all-in $724

lol sick....i mean from villain's perspective you're never shoving AK here for value right? So you're repping AA and JQ. His range is pretty much K10/KQ/22/A10/A5cc/QJ/random fd stuff he's folding.

I don't even know....there's lots of room for him to fold and I feel like if I were him I'd want to fold just about everything here especially since FD missed so he knows that you know it's going to look bluffy.

I don't see how flatting the turn with QJ can be good.

Originally Posted by pocketfours

I don't see how flatting the turn with QJ can be good.

What? How is it not good?

I think I'd rather call the river. I don't see how this is good, I don't see what thin value you think he's folding.

His range :

Top : sets, KT, A5cc, QJ
Mid: Axcc, does he vbet river? maybe
Bottom: air,Tx into bluffs, weird scandi shit

Do ppl fold top of their range in 2011 when FD's miss? no
Does he have enough air to call here? probably not either
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FOLD

fold>call>this imo

I guess I was under some weird assumption that since we had no big history, that he's showing a ton of strength and that most ppl don't run huge bluffs that he could conceivably fold KT, Axcc type stuff and maybe sets even.

But yah, maybe I'm crazy to think ppl will fold given clubs bricked.

It's not at all that bad imo.

wow it's even more terrible than I first thought !!! :P

I would fold a set here, I think some players will. I love it if it's that type of player.

could be worse

Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld

I would fold a set here, I think some players will. I love it if it's that type of player.

I get what you're saying and I might be biased here because I know villain is def not that kind of player

Originally Posted by Alexos

I get what you're saying and I might be biased here because I know villain is def not that kind of player

Yah unfortunately I didn't have that read at the time of this hand.

If villain isn't capable of making a big fold, then I definitely don't like this bluff attempt. But I do agree with Max that there are a lot of ppl who are capable of folding sets here.

I think his value range is exactly 22, KT, and QJ. I think QJ could be played differently here so I'd weight it less.