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    Default 100z squeezing IP getting called

    Not exactly sure what villains range here looks like on the flop. Do regs flat AK here?

    I'm tempted to check but it seems likely he's just calling 88-QQ preflop here making up 30 combos I'd rather get value from heart/x hands of that range and not just give free cards when I except turn probes infrequently.

    Possible flushes QJhh AJhh AQhh ... any wider?

    If you like a bet what size do you choose? (1 street or 2 street game)



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    Hero (Button) ($100)
    SB ($105.91)
    BB ($623)
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    MP ($55.66)
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    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
    UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $13, 3 folds, CO calls $10

    Flop: ($30.50) 4, 6, K (2 players)
    CO checks
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    Yah I agree with your logic of wanting to get value from his pair+heart type hands etc.

    Given that, if I'm going to go two streets I think I prefer to go bet/bet/check, as opposed to checking flop.
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    I will choose to cbet here something like 22 $, if he call and ch again the turn i will shoot again
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    griff: what are your thoughts on betting 22 like PokerChild suggests then jamming blank turns?

    Looking into that myself: If villain has 4 flush combos (AQ, AJ, QJ and JT of hearts) and he calls all AK combos to the turn jam and folds rest, we only have 40% equity vs that range.

    even if he called off all AQ combos w/ a heart (which is mad spew really) we'd only have 46%

    so I think for sure its a 2 street of value spot. since we can have more flushes (I think?) it would sort of allow us to bet 1/2p 1/2p check w/ AA and fold very comfortably to any raises

    having the ace of hearts changes the game a bit though since we block AJ and AQ flushes which are 100% in his range. Not so sure the liklihood of QJ or JT.
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    Yah I don't hate the plan to bet flop, jam turn. He'll definitely peel flop with TT-QQ and a heart, and likely most QQ either way.

    Any AK is not finding a fold.
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    is it bad to want to bet the flop smaller here? I want to get value from all of his single-heart pairs; making him fold a medium flush draw isn't terrible but it'll be easy to never pay him off when he gets there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    is it bad to want to bet the flop smaller here? I want to get value from all of his single-heart pairs; making him fold a medium flush draw isn't terrible but it'll be easy to never pay him off when he gets there.
    Do you like $10?

    $10 sounds pretty sweet to me
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    $10 makes turn SPR weird.

    $50 pot with like $80 behind.

    $20 makes it $70 pot with $70 behind.
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    I'd throw in JT and AT flushes. People play a pretty varied distribution of defending strategies here, it seems. For example I think 66/44 are totally in a lot of players' ranges enough that if you aren't sure you should give him a combo or two of those. If you believe he wouldn't 3-bet AK every time, then I would put some AK in his range. It seems like a pretty terrible play to back-raise for value with a wider range than KK+ considering how unbalanced most people's button squeeze ranges are. I'm not sure he should have a back-raising range at all tbh.

    So yeah on the flop I would give him some AK, AQ, all the suited broadways, 22-77 with some frequency and 88-QQ with a very high frequency. Against that range betting seems correct. Betting is by far the best play vs the tons of combos of AhQ/AQh AK KQ KJ KT QhQ JhJ ThT 9h9. Checking might slightly improve your EV against the dry pocket pairs and particularly against his missed broadways.

    I'm not sure checking improves your EV at all vs his nutted hands, because you gain little pot control; in this spr < 3 pot he's completely capable of betting turn and shoving river if you check back. Checking just lets you catch a 4th heart save a little equity sometimes. Probably the preferred line vs a flush would be to bet 13 and bet/fold the turn with intention of checking back the river.

    So your options as I see it are betting smallish to usually bet turn and shove river when the board really blanks off, otherwise often bet bet checking, OR you can bet 19-21 and shove turn. I'm inclined to just hand my stack to a flush and go for a 2 street plan to get max value and protection vs pair/heart and KQ. Probably 18ish on the flop and a slight overbet jam on turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Yah I don't hate the plan to bet flop, jam turn.
    Yeah, sometimes I check behind but most times I bet. If I do bet on the flop and he just calls then it's kinda hard to fold on the turn unless it's a heart.
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    I definitely agree with Renton's range assessment here. I've seen plenty of zoom villains play almost all pp like this. I do think, that AK can be in his range a reasonable amount of the time as well.&nbsp;<br><br>As for your squeezing range, how are you playing your bluff hands that missed and how highly in your value range to you rate AA here? What line would you take with KK in this same spot having top set? I guess I'd look at AA close to the same as I would KK since the only extra hands in his value range we lose to would be 66 and 44. That being said, it's safe to assume that a 4th heart will be a fold for us at any point but given that it blanks out, do we get more value from allowing him to try bluffing or just assume that his range is strong enough to check/call multiple streets.<br><br>It seems like his range is pretty much polarized to pair+heart hands that won't be bluffing much and total air that has to bluff. Yes, he does have some value hands but the combinations of those are pretty tiny compared to the rest of his possible holdings. I think I'd like taking a bet/bet line to start and I'm not sure how often I'd be folding to a raise.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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    As Donachello said, Renton's range assessment seems logical.

    This makes sense too:
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    I'm inclined to just hand my stack to a flush and go for a 2 street plan to get max value and protection vs pair/heart and KQ. Probably 18ish on the flop and a slight overbet jam on turn.
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    No matter how tight my opponent is, I will have to bet at least two streets in this situation.
    Even facing action from my opponent, I'm ok to go all in because I know my play is profitable (by raising preflop to 13BB) in the long run.

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