Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
all hands calling a big flop 3bet will probably call an AI
First, is this really true? What do you see people do in actual play?
Second, what if re-raising half my stack really gets me the same folding equity as a shove, which line is easier to balance?
well, for this particular instance (88 hand), i think shoving is better than 3betting, for reasons already stated. also, why would we want fold equity when the only hand we are behind to is 33? what we wanna do is either make outrageous bets like the all in, to make it look like we're bluffing, or make small value bets. which one is more profitable? well, depends on the cards and opponent. for this particular instance, as i've stated, there really is no helpful card on a 833 flop that could help villain. get it all in!

Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
I'm not saying shoving is bad or even not ideal. I'm saying it's not always best and you should think about other lines.
agreed.