Yeah, they mostly teach that if your daughter marries a gaijin, disown her.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Yeah, they mostly teach that if your daughter marries a gaijin, disown her.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's almost like painting a large group of people with broad strokes is bound to end with your foot in your mouth.
Amazing.
I mean to think... when you say things about people whom you don't know at all and have never met, you tend to say something that has no bearing on those people.
It's like speaking from ignorance is bound to result in saying ignorant things.
Surely we need more data on this.
Someone throw some cash at poopy. He's a psycho-doctor, right?
Qualified enough for gov't monies, I'm sure.
That particular cartoon was racist though. Note the whitewashing of OsakaQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I mean, her name is Osaka. even if you may not know how she looks like, why did you make her white and blonde? And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?
That's a why it's a racist dogwhistle. The black chick looks like donkey kong being so ultra exaggerated, and the white blond chick and white umpire have only slightly exaggerated features while looking completely calm. Blacks behave like monkeys, whites can have civilized interaction. Don't get it yet?
Make Serena less like Donkey Kong and give Osaka the skin color she has in real life. Black. Then you can not claim any hint of racism in there.
Haha I actually don't think we can learn much of anything from social psychology. Too many uncontrolled variables, there.
Isn't that what p-hacking is for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
:p
Also, agree with Jack. It's not hard to mock Serena for losing her shit banana-style without depicting her as donkey kong. I suspect that if one did draw that cartoon in a racially sensitive way, it would actually be funny without being offensive.
If you're gonna do that you might as well go straight to making up the data. Save yourself some time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
https://danrch.files.wordpress.com/2...ders.png?w=720
OMG!!
Propper speeling killz!
That is a pretty sweet correlation though.
As it happens, I looked into her as soon as she won. When a 20 y/o Japanese woman wins a major event, I notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack
Her Grandfather? It's funny how you're giving a lecture about racism, while using an individual old person as a measure of how racist Japan as a nation is.Quote:
Does that sound like the Japanese do not get themselves worked up over these things?
Yup, me too. She's still smoking hot though. Half Jap half black works for me.Quote:
I heard "Osaka" and when I saw her I was WTF as well.
But she didn't complain, at least I don't think she did. I hope she doesn't, I hope she rises above it.Quote:
And yes, she has every reason to complain. She was whitewashed in that cartoon. This is straight out of the Jim Crow era.
They? Are you steroetyping an entire race of people again here based on the actions of a few old folk with outdated views?Quote:
Yeah, they mostly teach that if your daughter marries a gaijin, disown her.
Yet it's Serena throwing a tantrum.Quote:
That particular cartoon was racist though. Note the whitewashing of Osaka
Because Serena looks like fucking Donkey Kong.Quote:
And why does Serena have to look like fucking Donkey Kong?
Is this broad enough for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion.../#.W5vZU7jTW70
Please uninstall the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Jack's words, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I mean there's a reason he didn't ask "why did he have to draw Serena a butch black woman?".
If he'd drawn her as 'butch', as in muscular, no-one would argue with that characterization of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It was because he drew her like a stomping ape that it's offensive.
And you agreeing with her looking like a stomping ape makes you look just as bad. I guess your defense is "well, i don't think i'm being racist so therefore I'm not", but that's pretty lame imo.
So it's ok for Jack to use language like "fucking Donkey Kong" but not me?
If she was white and butch, would it be racist to depict her as an albino gorilla?
Way I see it, it's her being butch that is the subject of mockery. I couldn't give a fuck if she's black or white, it's those accusing me of racism that have this obsession with skin colour. Funny that.
You see a stomping ape. Maybe you should ask who's being racist.Quote:
It was because he drew her like a stomping ape that it's offensive.
I see a butch black throwing a tantrum.
Jack said 'the cartoonist made her look like DK'Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You said 'she does look like DK'
BIG difference.
No, because white people aren't compared to apes by racists, black people are. Or are you still pretending there's no history of that ever happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That'd be easier to believe if you stopped saying racist and/or bigoted things.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Pointing out that you saying something that's racist and/or bigoted is racist and/or bigoted is hardly an 'obsession'. It only happens when you do it, which seems to be often. Maybe that's why you think we're all obsessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Stop and think before you speak once in awhile and you won't have to keep denying you're a racist or bigot just because you say racist and/or bigoted things.
Piecewise cubic curve-fits are sexxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Using them gives +15% truthiness to any plot.
Makes me wonder if we can find out what causes deaths by lawnmower too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Slight misrep. Jack asked why she was drawn like DK. I answered because she looks like DK. That's an observation, not discrimination. If a butch black woman throws a tantrum, chance are she'll look like DK.Quote:
Originally Posted by poop
So? Some people call whites "devils". So... if someone draws a picture of me with horns, are they being racist? What if I was acting like a cunt?Quote:
No, because white people aren't compared to apes by racists, black people are. Or are you still pretending there's no history of that ever happening?
Your idea of racism is far removed from what racism actually is. I've said it many, many times. I have no sense of superiority over black people. Serena is my equal, regardless of her colour, gender, or talent. That means she doesn't get any special treatment from me when people mock her for being a cunt.Quote:
That'd be easier to believe if you stopped saying racist and/or bigoted things.
It is obsession. You hold me to a different standard than Jack, and you wouldn't give a fuck if I was saying things you find offensive towards a white person.Quote:
Pointing out that you saying something that's racist and/or bigoted is racist and/or bigoted is hardly an 'obsession'.
I didn't say anything racist. You imagined it.Quote:
Stop and think before you speak once in awhile and you won't have to keep denying you're a racist or bigot just because you say racist and/or bigoted things.
First, you said Japanese people don't get worked up about racism, and then added that they are a superior race.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Second, you said Serena looks like a stomping ape.
And when you're called out on it, rather than examine yourself and what words you're using, you try to claim everyone else is the racist, not you. Lame.
Oh yeah, I said Japs are superior. That's the closest I've come to actually being racist. However, most people would say racism is the belief that one's own race is superior to another. I don't believe that to be the case.
Not racist. She was slamming her racquet on the floor, and she happens to be a butch black woman. I can't help it if she looks like a stomping ape, and I can't help it if other people have used such language to describe black people in general.Quote:
Second, you said Serena looks like a stomping ape.
Further, it was Jack who used the term "fucking Donkey Kong". I merely agreed.
If Jack said "fucking nigger", well you'd surely accept he shouldn't say that. Why use the phrase "fucking Donkey Kong" when he knows it's racially charged? Why not just say ape to remain on safe ground? He chose to use racially charged language.
To be fair, not too many people get worked up if you treat someone nicely for whatever reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
There are different levels of racism, and they're not equal.
A brown-skinned person saying, "They guy wont want to do that, 'cause he has brown skin like me" is text-book racism. They're making statements about how someone will behave based solely on skin color. However, there is no negativity there, so it's not likely that anyone crying racism is going to get any attention.
A loud-mouth on the bus ride home yesterday was yelling, "I'm taking all shit from white people today." I was the only white person on the bus, and I was in a good mood, so I turned to face him and I said, "Well, I hope you don't have to take any." his response, "You better stay in your lane." IDK exactly what that means, but I guess he was saying, "Don't be out-of-line," so I clarified, "you said you're taking shit from white people. I hope no white people give you any shit today." He says, "Look. I don't like white people." So I respond with, "Well, I'm sorry 'bout that; I'm in your space." And I just ignored him the rest of the ride. He left me alone after that.
Was that a racist exchange?
He said he doesn't like white people, sure. But he wasn't being aggressive about it. He was saying, "I'm not going to get worked up over racist shit today." His whole point was that he was going to ignore it.
The world is complicated. Plenty of people want to be better tomorrow than they are today. I think that guy was one of them. I hope that being a white person whom wasn't any threat to him and whom respected his space helps in the long run. It certainly didn't hurt me for him to say he doesn't like white people while treating me with respect.
"I don't like white people"
That's as racist as it gets. Change the word "white" for "black" and tell me there's a difference.
That is 100% not "as racist as it gets," ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I mostly agree that it was racist, but I'd think you of all people would appreciate him expressing his preferences is not the same as him oppressing anyone.
He was yelling in general, attracting everyone's attention, but he didn't change his tone when speaking to me. I didn't sense any disrespect from him aside from - maybe - his assumption that I was acting "out of line" (if that's what he meant). I said a sentence and maybe he was expecting me to harass him, but I didn't, and he didn't harass me, either.
Sure, it was a bit racist, but not in a criminal or hurtful way. Not from my perspective, anyway.
If I say, "I am only attracted to women, 'cause men are ugly," that's not really sexism is it? It's just me expressing that I'm straight.
Do you really think saying "I don't like whites" is the same as saying "I'm not homosexual"?
Are you trying to outtroll me?
Granted, "as racist as it gets" is overkill, Hitler was certainly more racist. But not liking an entire race of people because, well, skin colour, that is more than "a bit racist". Don't get me wrong, that dude has every right to not like someone for whatever reason he likes. But if his reason is because of skin colour, he is most definitely racist.
I mean poop thinks I'm racist because I think a butch black woman throwing a tantrum looks like, in Jack's words, fucking Donkey Kong. It's as if saying mean things is worse than actually disliking someone for no reason other than race. I don't like Serena because she's a cunt, it has nothing to do with race. I haven't got anything against her sister. Is Venus a gobshite? Is she throwing tantrums and accusing everyone who dares to challenge her of being sexist and/or racist? Is she on Twitter shotuing about wimmin's bloody rights? Not thaat I'm aware of. So she's not a cunt.
I judge people based on how much they annoy me. Not a shred of racism.
No. I'm trying to bring a bit of nuance to the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm saying that I find it hard to pay as much attention to a man as I do to a woman. Women are more attractive to me in general, and I find it easier to maintain eye-contact with women than with men. That feels to me like I'm not treating people equally, despite their differences not being based on their choices. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying it's on the spectrum of differential treatment.
Maybe it's a bad example.
Let's ignore the whole sexism thing and just latch onto the fact that there is a spectrum of racism and not all racism is necessarily harmful.
To wit, if your belief that Japanese people are superior leads you to be respectful to Japanese people, then not too many people would be hurt by that.
In a text-book way, I agree, but in a "harm was caused / people were denied rights" kind of way, I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's a bit late in the conversation for you to claim you are unaware of the history of whites and blacks vis-a-vis monkey and ape comparisons.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's a lot naive for you to expect to use those words in that context and not bristle the hairs on some people's necks.
It's irresponsible for you to expect people whom don't know you personally to hear those comparisons and not assume you are making them in full knowledge of the history.
Even if people know you personally, if you say those things in a public forum, then you'll be heard by more people than just those whom know you well.
Fine, you said something that was harmless, given your intended meanings of those words. We can all be grown-up enough to disregard our first impressions and take you on your expounded meanings. It's silly to expect that you wont have to explain yourself further when you appropriate words for a new use, given their history.
Of course people are denied rights. How would a black person feel if I said to his face that I don't like black people? He would feel offended, and rightfully so. We would sit here and talk about how a black person has the right to go about his business without being subject to such comments. Why is this any different?Quote:
In a text-book way, I agree, but in a "harm was caused / people were denied rights" kind of way, I disagree.
I'm not making such claims. I remind you again, I was not the one who made the DK analogy, I merely acknowledged it as apt.Quote:
It's a bit late in the conversation for you to claim you are unaware of the history of whites and blacks vis-a-vis monkey and ape comparisons.
Why aren't you telling this to Jack?Quote:
It's a lot naive for you to expect to use those words in that context and not bristle the hairs on some people's necks.
I don't expect anyone to think anything. I don't care what people think.Quote:
It's irresponsible for you to expect people whom don't know you personally to hear those comparisons and not assume you are making them in full knowledge of the history.
What's your point?Quote:
Even if people know you personally, if you say those things in a public forum, then you'll be heard by more people than just those whom know you well.
It's astonishing you're more concerned about me than you are the dude on the bus. What have you been smoking?
https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status...22275735822337
Apparently full cooperation in exchange for dropping all charges. This should be big.
:popcorn:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
While you meant well and it turned out fine, I'm not sure engaging with someone yelling on a bus is a good idea. What if he's mentally ill, and looking for an excuse to bop someone on the nose?
Can you be any more disingenuous?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Jack was saying it as a complaint, as in "it's racist to make a black person look like Donkey Kong."
You were saying "She does look like Donkey Kong." As in, "I think she does look like a stomping ape, and so it's fine to depict her that way."
This whole 'no, it's everyone else who's racist' act is as about as weary as banana's 'I want an intelligent discussion' act. Just admit you chose your words thoughtlessly and move on.
Jack chose my words thoughtlessly.Quote:
Just admit you chose your words thoughtlessly and move on.
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I guess that answers that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Everyone has the right to feel offended.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
No one has the right to not feel offended.
C'mon, man. It doesn't matter who said it first, it matters whom agrees with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If he comes back here making a point that it's perfectly fine to describe black people as ape-like and that should not be considered racism, then what I'm telling you applies equally to Jack. I didn't interpret his statement as making that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
My point is NOT that you're a racist. It's that you've used racially charged language, and you know that history and you still chose those words, so you're really giving off a racist vibe, even if you don't personally endorse racism.
If it was to troll, then don't act surprised when this conversation ensues.
If it wasn't, then heads up: this conversation is extremely likely to ensue when you do this.
Then why even address us when we criticize your use of words?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That you should expect criticism when you use certain words to describe certain groups of people, ignoring the history of those words being used to describe those groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm not "more" concerned. My entire point is that there is nuance to racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
My point to you was that I don't believe you're being racist, but you're still choosing to ignore the history of the words you're using, and it certainly gives the impression of historical racism.
Then I get bopped on the nose. I'm not living in fear of bopped noses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
He was yelling, but not being rude. He seemed to be in a good mood, and wanted attention. That played into my decision to respond.
I've lived in this city for most of my life and I'm nowhere near an expert on street smarts, but I have enough of a grasp to know that this person wasn't acting like he was looking for a fight.
This is what I said
Notice I'm referring to the cartoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
In response to this line ...
... you then claimQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Notice you are referring to Serena herself. Do you spot the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That's actually racist, ong.
This is racist ongabonga. This is one of the oldest racist stereotypes there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Serena IRL does not look like a fucking monkey, and if you think so, then you are a (lowkey) racist
You did call a black woman a bigass monkey. Here's your actual quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Why is this racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-c...b_9345322.htmlQuote:
Animalisation and even bacterialisation are widespread elements of racist dehumanisation.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rnors-election
https://medium.com/@TheReclaimed/her...s-c983f1714977
https://www.theroot.com/for-white-pe...rac-1826427170
Regardless of anything else on the top of the page, those are some great gifs.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Here's a CNN link on the story. Unsurprisingly, it has a lot more detail than a Twitter feed.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/polit...lea/index.html
Nah it's really not, Jack. It's just what you think racism is.
The dude on mojo's bus... that's what racism is. If mojo were black, and the other dude white, you'd be in agreement on that matter, and would probably see it as a lot more concerning than the idea that a butch black woman smashing her racquet on the floor is akin to a stomping ape.
Oh alright. I didn't get that from the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
You have some weird people in that city.
fypQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
"Jews as rats. Native Americans as savages. Mexicans as animals. Blacks as apes."
You're reading right out of the racist playbook here. You don't get to re-define the language as you see fit just because you happen to dislike Williams.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
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In 2011, following the term's offhand use in a March 26 article appearing in The Spectator ("white-coated Jap bloke"), the Minister of the Japanese Embassy in London protested that "most Japanese people find the word 'Japs' offensive, irrespective of the circumstances in which it is used"
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
No, I said she was drawn like DK, you said that's because she looks like DK. There's a big difference in these statements. Would you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
LOL what is it with white people jumping at every opportunity to say the N-word? Is it like cool to say it or what? Does it make you edgy, using it in examples? Like ooooQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Because that's what in the cartoon. They drew her exactly like they would draw fucking Donkey Kong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What? Does not compute.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There are so many ways to draw Serena, and yet they chose to draw her that way. If the language I chose to describe the cartoon was racially charged, do you not believe that may be because the content of the cartoon is racially charged therefore describing it is going to be racially charged, no matter what?
The did draw her like a big stomping ape. The other black girl in the cartoon who IRL didn't do anything, they drew her like a white blonde. Without (Or with only very slight) exaggerated features. That's the entire problem, i.e. the dogwhistle.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If a Jew gets on all fours and scuttles around on the floor, he's going to look like a rat.
I didn't mention it, but maybe I should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
St Louis has some weird people, but nothing like Portland, OR or Los Angeles. Not to mention NYC or the entire state of Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
St Louis is really a friendly city though. You can just walk up to about anyone and start talking to them and end up in a conversation.
E.g.
There's a traffic guard at the construction zone entrance on my way into work who dances around with a big smile and greets everyone as she directs pedestrians and traffic. She's only been there since the semester started a few weeks ago. Her name is Danielle (sp?). I know because I've slowed down enough to thank her and to tell her that her positive energy is kinda an awesome way to start my work day. I asked her name at that time and now we greet each other properly in the morning. She's just a lady doing her job, but I know her name and she knows mine.
Every ooportunity? I have over 17k posts here, I would say the n-bomb is in perhaps ten of them.Quote:
LOL what is it with white people jumping at every opportunity to say the N-word? Is it like cool to say it or what? Does it make you edgy, using it in examples? Like oooo
Sure there's a difference. But I was using your language. You looked at an image of Serena and thought "fucking Donkey Kong", not me.Quote:
No, I said she was drawn like DK, you said that's because she looks like DK. There's a big difference in these statements. Would you agree?
Aww.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
C'mon, man.
Sheesh.
That bit of racism slipped by me.
No, he's going to look like a person scuttling around on the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If you make a cartoon out of his features, then yes.
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It's borderline. He didn't say 'all white people', and also he has a point in why use the word at all, and especially when you're talking to a black person? How's it supposed to make him feel to read that word?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Your Serena Donkey Kong comment however was unequivocally racist. And worse, you won't even own it.
Yeah I mean that image leaves nothing to the imagination, does it? It's a rat's body with a Jew's head. I'm quite happy to call that blatantly anti-Semitic, and I don't throw that word around casually.Quote:
No, he's going to look like a person scuttling around on the floor.
The image of Serena, she only looks ape-like because she's butch and stomping, not because the artist gave her body hair and a tail.
I appreciate you might find this incredibly hard to believe, but I forget Jack is black. It makes no difference to me one way or the other.Quote:
and especially when you're talking to a black person? How's it supposed to make him feel to read that word?
Never been to StL. It sounds great though. I've been to L.A. and yeah it is a bit out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
One thing I miss about living in Canada and the U.S. is the propensity of every single person you run into to engage you in conversation. Here, if you try that people usually just look at you like you're nuts.
Apes don't have tails.
I thought that when I hit submit and read it back. Whatever. Monkeys do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Well maybe if you were a bit more tuned in, you'd take notes and adjust yourself accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Like when I mentioned being mixed Native-American and you threw out the word 'injun'. Not cool.
There are different levels of racism indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
This particular dude was lowkey racist. Probably also ignorant. I'll never understand the general "I don't like x people", like every person from x group is the same.
But he kept to himself. He didn't act on his racism. E.g. he wasn't calling you derogatory slurs and generally left you alone.
So you're asking me to treat Jack differently because he's black? Sorry, no, I'm not racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Also, you're being disingenuous now. I remember using the word "injun", and the context was me asking you if it's offensive, which actually surprised me, since it has no negative connotations here at all.
It's actually the opposite of "not cool" to check if a word is offensive.
Jack's avatar looks like the Dos Equis guy, so I assume he's a closet Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
:p
EDIT: or better still, consider that saying triggering shit in one context is probably not appropriate in any context.
You may not consciously be racist. But if not, then you are definitely ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
LOL it's when the opportunity arises. I have 7K posts on here, 0 mentionsQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I try to always keep the discourse as civilized as possible.
I do say fuck and shit a ton though.
Just an observation. Whenever I see that word used nowadays it's some white dude saying it like trying to be "edgy". And the occasional white supremacist. I hardly ever see it used by literally anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Quick clarification: the actual word doesn't offend me. I think it's because I'm not American. I just see it as ignorance on the user's part.
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No no no noQuote:
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This is great. We shouldn't be looking at color while discussing shit or giving our opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The exaggerated features bro. Osaka's whitewashing. Straight out of Jim Crow era cartoons.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Again, make her more normal in appearance, make Osaka black like she is, no one can complain nor call it dogwhistling
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How is President Unhinged going to react to this I wonder?Quote:
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Stay thirsty my friends :D
In StL, not all black people, but only black people still regularly use it to greet each other, so I hear it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...asn%27t-me.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I think we've had this discussion before. Black people in the US have appropriated the n-word for their own use, so that when they say it to each other, it's not offensive. This irks some white people who feel they're being victimized because if they call a black person the n-word, it's seen as racist. The whole thing is about as ridiculous as it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
My preferred solution is for white people who feel this way to start calling their white friends 'honky' and know that black people can't call them that. That'll show 'em.
There's the hard-r and the non-hard-r, the non-hard-r is the one you often hear among black people
On mobile I have no idea how to quote mmm
Turns out the umpire who Serena accused of being sexist and racist also hates white male Croats. He gave Marin Cilic a code violation, too, for smashing his racquet. What a hater. Why can't he let people throw tantrums? Anyone would think it's his job to maintain some sort of order on the court.
She only accused him of being sexist, not racist fwiw.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Smashing your racquet usually gets a code violation call. The fact he gave Cilic one here means pretty much nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If you think this applies to Serena, you're sexist.Quote:
Smashing your racquet usually gets a code violation call.
But not racist though, my bad on that one.
Teh whole Serena thing is actually her being the most awful person in existance and getting away with it because she is the GOAT and black and female.
It's very similar to why Venus williams is allowed to murder.
Literally the only argument that isn't retarded is that men may get away with slightly more violations (i.e. being cunts) than women on court. If this was true (and enough has shown it isn't) the argument would be stop men being cunts nto women tenis players should get more allowance on being cunts.
The cartoon is actually interesting as the whole exaggerated comic style comes across as massively racist because of the history when in reality it's just the over the top cartoonish persona that is being dealt with. I have little sympathy for the person drawing the comic though as it's just a huge lack of awareness.
In other news, a member of Pussy Riot has been flown to hospital in Berlin with suspected poisoning.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8540156.html
I'd be inclined to say the cartoonist was being deliberately provocative, rather than ignorant. I just don't think it's racist.
It's not discrimination. I imagine the cartoonist would have exaggerated the features of whoever he was drawing. It's tabloid crap.
I'll say this... the image looked like Serena.
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This is probably true, but there's more than one suspect.Quote:
She also said she thinks Mr Verzilov, who has both Canadian and Russian citizenship, was poisoned for political reasons.
Some more Russians have fallen ill in Salisbury, too.
The poisoning of a Pussy Riot member... that could totally be the Kremlin. I know they're not a nice bunch of people. But the Salisbury thing... it makes no sense. I mean the images of the guys going through the turnstiles... they were taken at excatly the same time. Exactly. The turnstile appears to be the same one in both images, but even if it's not, that some serious choreography.
Pussy Riot... if it's "Novichok", it wasn't the Russians. If it was something that wasn't created in Salisbury (like "Novichok"), then maybe it was the Russians.
The two suspects appeared on Russian TV to say they were just tourists who happened to take a weekend trip from Moscow to see Salisbury Cathedral.
Doesn't sound fishy at all.
What's fishy about it? I don't know if you're aware, but Salisbury Cathedral attracts visitors from all over the world. Are you suggesting that two male Russians could not have a historical interest in architecture? They also wanted to go to Stonehenge, which, in case you haven't heard of it, is a World Heritage Site, thousands of years old.
I assume you haven't actually read up on it, because if you had, you wouldn't find tourists doing touristy things to be fishy, rather you'd think it was fishy that the Skirpals turned their phones off and drove out of Salisbury, before the "tourists" arrived in Salisbury. CCTV caught the Skirpals leaving Salisbury, but didn't see them return, even though they must have, because otherwise they couldn't have got poisoned.
The official story if fishy as fuck. The tourists' story is, well, reasonable.
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You do also realise that many, many people take weekend trips away?
Here's something fishy... after they allegedly smeared Novichok on the Skirpal's doorknob, they went into Salisbury and were caught on CCTV window shopping, without a care in the world. That's a pretty convincing getaway, if you ask me. It's what I'd do. I'd just hang around and wait for shit to hit the fan, rather than do one asap and get back to Russia for debriefing.
They say they couldn't go to Stonehenge because of snow. Twitter exploded into a frenzy, saying there was no snow in Salisbury on the 3rd of March. For proof, there were photos of Salisbury city centre on the 4th March with no snow. Let's ignore the drifs on the outskirts. Let's forget the fact that Stonehenge's Twitter feed still has a tweet telling people not to come to Stonehenge on the 3rd of March because of snow. They were lying.
They were seen on CCTV 500 meters from the Skirpals' house, walking along an A-road. That's as close as they were seen there.
There is no evidence at all to suggest they were involved, or at least nothing in the public domain that is compelling.
What do you know that I don't?
Don't be a meme freak. Talk.
lol the fucking Guardian.
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On Saturday 3 March – which the British authorities claim was the date of a reconnaissance mission – they got to Salisbury train station but say they were driven back by snow, even though local newspaper pictures show people going about their business with little difficulty.
The timeline the police have released makes little sense. They arrive around 11.50. By this time, the Skirpals had been seen leaving their house, and were not seen returning for several hours. And they were 500 meters away on an A-road. There must be a fuck ton of suspects if that's fishy.Quote:
The next day they accept they may have been close to the house of Sergei Skripal, the former Russian spy, at the time his home was sabotaged with nerve agent,
Because the weather was fucking awful. What's that? Russians deterred by weather? Yep, because at home in winter they would have the right clothing. In Salisbury, they were dressed casually.Quote:
Why such a short stay?
The slush they refer to was sleet.Quote:
“We wanted to walk around the city but since the whole city was covered with snow, we spent only 30 minutes there,” said Petrov. “We were all wet.” He added: “It didn’t work out because of the slush. The whole city was covered with slush.” Petrov said they returned to the station and spent around 40 minutes there drinking coffee in the station cafe. “We were drenched up to our knees,” added Boshirov.
Sparse. Yeah,t hat's what sleet is. In the city, where the council had salted the pavements and cleared the snow, the snow was sparse. On the outskirts, there were massive drifts of snow.Quote:
There was snow on the ground but people were going about their business. The Salisbury Journal’s live blog showed that by the time the pair were there the snow on city centre pavements was sparse.
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They made two trips to Salisbury, one on the 3rd and one on the 4th. They claim they couldn't walk 15 minutes from the station to the Cathedral on the 3rd because of snow. They had 'slush up to their knees'. So they went back to the station, had a coffee and went back to London. But other people were walking around Salisbury just fine.
Then on the 4th they went to Salisbury again. For some reason they went NW of the city around Skripal's house. No CCTV of them at the Cathedral. Stonehenge was open on the 4th but they didn't go there.
Hmmm...
Fuck me, nice work detective. Here's me on Twitter pulling up images of snow drifts on the 3rd, while you repeat what the British authorities say on the matter.
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Once there was some pushback of truth about this on social media, people started triumphantly posting the CCTV images from 4 March to prove that there was no snow lying in Central Salisbury on 4 March. But nobody ever said there was snow on 4 March – in fact Borisov and Petrov specifically stated that they learnt there was a thaw so they went back. However when they got there, they encountered heavy sleet and got drenched through. That accords precisely with the photographic evidence in which they are plainly drenched through.
How fishy, they don't know the word for sleet. They said slush.
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No, it's right next to Stonehenge, which is near Salisbury.Quote:
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high temp in Salisbury on the 3rd was 5C. Is that too cold for guys wearing coats to walk 15 minutes through?
No mention of sleet on this graphic either.
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How does the weather near Stonehenge stop them from walking 15 minutes to Salisbury Cathedral on the 3rd?
If it's pissing down with "slush" and you're soaked through (as images show) then yes.Quote:
high temp in Salisbury on the 3rd was 5C. Is that too cold for guys wearing coats to walk 15 minutes through?
No mention of sleet on that graphic? Is that evidence?
I would have thought the image of huge snow drifts barely outside of Salisbury would demonstrate that weather conditions were indeed challenging.Quote:
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Your case seems to revolve around the idea it's fishy they didn't walk for a mile or two when soaked in sleet. You seem to think that link you provided shows it wasn't sleeting. Well those guys were wet, that isn't in dispute. So the weather was doing something.
Also, Salisbury Cathedral is SE of the station. Why are the two Russians seen wandering around an area that's a 20 minute walk NW of the station on the 4th, near Skripal's house?
Fuck knows. Do you suppose that two foreign tourists getting lost is suspicious?Quote:
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