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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
This has been huge for a few guys I have worked with that had bigger bellies and health issues. Things like harder erections, ability to last, ability to get hard a second time all without medications were major reasons they worked with me in the first place. Not to mention, if you have a large gut and lose about 40lbs, you will gain roughly an inch on your equipment.
And just to pull a Wufwugy and triple post, for the guys saying they don't want to get very built, or huge. Don't sweat it. To get rather big naturally is quite hard to do. There are guys with more natural ability, better genetics and tons of natural testosterone in their bodies that can't get huge for many reasons. It doesn't happen as easily as you would think naturally. Bust your ass and get the benefits, when you come back and tell me you're too big, I will show you how to lengthen your muscles and lean out more. Guarantee you never post that.
IT's only healthier in terms of some added vitamins which are normally added after processing.. Drink the coke and take a multi and it's the same thing. Fresh squeezed is a different story. If you are where they squeeze the actual oranges. Not if it says fresh squeezed on the jug.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Confidence only follows skill imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
I squeeze them myself. Even drink the pulp because they say it's the healthiest part. But I mean, what should you drink besides water?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
more water. Why drink your calories?
I drink black coffee, a couple a day. I drink soda water with real lemon and I drink water that I actually get from a natural spring. I've posted pics in the past. I do drink protein shakes and smoothies sometimes, but not as much as I used to. And yes, I may have a pop once in a blue moon, but it's rare.
Does bacon count as meat? Sausages?
only if your eating a keto diet. IF you are completely carb free, no sugar, no flour, no carbs then yes. You would need to supply fats for immediate fuel sources. If your over about 20-50 carbs a day then no, high fat/high calorie processed meats are bad. Steak, chicken and lean pork is a go. OMLETTES are the bomb for meat and veggies.
I just ordered a chicken salad for lunch. The subs looked great.
Hope you're not putting any salad dressing on it!
How bad is porridge and honey for breakfast?
Honey and mustard dressing ftwQuote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
It was delicious but its like eating a starter and having no main.
If salad dressing is the worse thing you eat then you will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
Really? Which one is the protein and which one is the sugar?Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Think of every food as one of three things, protein, sugar and fat. Nuts are counted as good fats, eat too much and get fat but good food in control. Veggies are nothing, real veggies, not potatoes. They are like water, required.
Double the meat, More protein equals more full and quicker fat loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I've been wanting to give up bread for a while, but damn I just can't get over how good wheat toast is dunked in egg yolk. Also subs.
Just experimentQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
bothQuote:
Is that cos you're built like a tank or a fat fucker?
Not my pic, but this i what I do. I actually do this for several people now, preparing their lunches, breakfasts and sometimes post workout meals. I make meals according to diet type, calorie needs and meal frequency. My fridge always has at least 3-5 tupperware containers with meat and veggies, sometimes as much as 20
http://i.imgur.com/hPorg.jpg
I also make homemade protein bars with and without carbs and fats too.
TIL jyms makes men get harder erections and last longer. No wonder bigred wanted to bunk with you in Vegas.Quote:
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Originally Posted by jyms
Myostatin IOW ;)
As to what attracts, it's always a balancing thing. Sure if you're super confident and smooth you can get the job done just fine, but if you have a great body you don't need those other characteristics. Back when I had a great body, I didn't have to do anything but be myself and the women flocked. Since I've added a bit of fat, I've found I have to be really aggressive in order to get attention, but it's still never the level of attention I would get just by looking great in a t-shirt
Looking good in a tight t goes a long way.
Yes, it is a big deal, but probably not for the reason you are thinking. Sugar in your coffee.. Really? Do you drink vodka cranberries too?Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
I want you to start drinking black coffee and straight spirits for a while. Eventually you can add a little cream to your coffee or an ice cube to your whiskey.
Good riddance.
^^lol
shit is true tho
mmmm vodka cranberry
No but seriously, don't put sugar in your coffee. Once you get used to it without sugar, you will never go back. Sugar actually ruins the taste of coffee for me now.
I always take cream and sugar with my coffee. That must be for all 5 coffees I've drank in my life. Never really given them a fair shot. Even in the days I had to go over to clients very often, I always asked for a coke. Sometimes this awkwardly meant they had to go look for one somewhere else in the company, while coffee machines are everwhere and it's free. I wouldn't do that anymore now, in fact I might give coffee a try to get off of my coke addiction.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by JL
I do drink café au lait though, and milk has a natural sweetening thing going on.
I used to drink a lot of cola, now I simply don't. I limit myself to 4 beverages: water, milk, yoghurt and red wine. I occasionally do coffee, with milk of course, and very occasionally I do some Hennessy (with Coco Rico or Sprite, I've earned those) or store bought fruit juices.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
The plan is to introduce daily smoothies in the mix at some point.
I don't miss sodas for shit.
yeah sodas are nothing. a little creativity goes a long way
wat...Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
reread what i said. not needing super confidence isnt the same as not needing any confidence at all
Lol <3 lukie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukie
Lessens on how to be a real man.
I'd drink coffee with no sugar if its real coffee but I can't drink instant without it.
That's such a vague statement that it's pretty meaningless imo. Confidence is used as a short-cut for someone's skill, if you see someone being very confident about something we assume that they know what they're doing. But confidence alone is not sustainable without the skill to back it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Let's say there's this average guy, a random made up person to illustrate my point. He has poor social skills. Often he'll come off as arrogant when trying to act aloof. When trying to be friendly he'll sometimes come off as needy. When trying to be funny and tease people, he's usually just insulting people without realizing it. He never really connects with people, because, again without being aware of it, he's very selfish and assumes that whatever he has in his mind is interesting to everyone else, lacking the empathy needed to communicate with people in ways that they can relate to. He also sucks at recognizing social relationships that other people have with each-other, and will often speak in ways that are out of line with social dynamics, like openly trying to hit on a girl that is clearly paired off with someone else or trying to randomly belittle the dominant person in the group. And so on.
Now, this guy can act all confident, but it's not going to do him much good. It might help him to impress people he just met but they'll soon get annoyed by him and want to avoid him. The people that know him, shun him and don't care for him. He might tell stories to a new girl he just met which make him seem popular with other people, but when she sees how other people actually treat him, the illusion is quickly dispelled. I would argue that in his case being confident about himself is actually a downside. It would work out better for him if he was less confident. Then atleast he'd keep quiet instead of pissing people off and others would be more keen to be nice to him.
What our emotional system does in such situations is exactly that. If nothing is ever working out for you socially, your emotions will torpedo your confidence, and this makes that confidence is often a very good indicator of how skilled someone really is at whatever he is doing. In practice when someone gets more confident about himself (socially or about something in particular, like being good at dancing, football or minesweeper), this almost always follows from either increasing his skills, or changing external situations that make him perform better.
That's complete bollocks. I know plenty of people who are full of confidence yet absolutely useless at just about everything they do. I also know plenty of people who are fucking awesome at things and have absolutely no confidence.
The trend is much more to do with the positive reinforcement people have gotten for their actions, which you do say to an extent, but as very few people can actually judge if someone is good at something, it becomes much more about a very limited amount of qualities of a person no matter how good they are at other things.
Also you imply that most people who act super confident need it to whole illusion that they are who they are implying to last that long :lol:
I know it often seems like that. But you're never looking at the whole picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
We can't, it's too complex to recognize actual skill, instead we only look at results and infer skill from that. Same with social life, if someone with great confidence keeps saying and doing weird things which make you feel awkward and annoyed, it's pretty instant you'll think less of him than his initial confidence made you believe. Positive reinforcement is indeed exactly what I'm talking about. And this mostly comes from skill.Quote:
The trend is much more to do with the positive reinforcement people have gotten for their actions, which you do say to an extent, but as very few people can actually judge if someone is good at something,
I'm aware of that, the point I'm making was that positive reinforcement doesn't come from skill. That's why there are so many people who are shit at things who have great confidence.
Anyway, to bring it back on topic.
Preplanning meals and having them in tuppawear boxes in the fridge/freezer is an awesome idea and I couldn't suggest it more to people. Although mine obviously aren't anything like what Jyms posted :lol:, but stuff like lasagne, curries, etc all keep pretty awesome and take minutes to reheat. And the time it takes to cook 4 portions is the same time it takes to cook 1 portion. Also saves time on cleaning, etc so well worth doing even if you aren't doing it for health reasons.
So due to having children I often do my workouts later in the evening (9-10:30 pm) I usualy run or skip/shadowbox and then do weights. Am I supposed to have a post workout meal at 10:30pm? Or is there something quick I could/should have like cottage cheese?
re: wufwugy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxU7tgEhsA
brew a pot in the morning, have a cup, and pour the rest in a thermos.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
just an idea.
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Originally Posted by Vinland
Post workout meals are starting to be proven to not be of a lot of extra benefits in general fitness. Some whey protein or BCAA's post workout have proven to have some anabolic benefits but not so much when wwight loss or aerobic health is concerned. So long as your getting your calorie and required nutrients. Cottage cheese is a great food late int he evening for a lot of reasons, one is that it's filling and takes forever to digest.
I'm using couscous as a rice/pasta substitute. How's that?
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Originally Posted by rong
You couldn't pay me to drink instant coffee, it's horrible and the reason you can't drink it black. Having to dump cream and sugar into something to make it tolerable should tell you not to put it in your body. It's actually shown to have caused issues in cholesterol health. There was some studies done showing improvements in cholesterol health from switching to brewed coffee and even more so when paper filters are used. Black coffee is actually considered health food when your not using it to wake up, perk up or get through days from poor energy levels. Couple cups a day is golden.
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How much protein? How much carbs? how much fibre? I'll make you a deal, if it has more protein and fiber together vs carbs then you can eat it. Why not just eat broccoli? cauliflower? brussel sprouts? Cabbage? Eggplant? Zucchini? Bok Choi? Asparagus?
Buy cauliflower, boil, mash with some butter, salt and pepper and tell me you miss potatoes?
because couscous is fucking delicious, especially with all those veggies mixed in.
I don't get this post. It's like you're implying I don't eat vegetables or understand the range of veg available to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
I didn't just eat couscous. I ate chicken, onion, leeks, yellow pepper, sugarsnap peas, sweetcorn and aubergine (all fresh) stir fried with couscous as an accompaniment so it actually fills me up, the veg and chicken mix taking up half a plate, I eat a lot of veg.
Mashed cauliflower is an interesting idea. Will give that a try.
I read that couscous isn't a particularly bad carb as it's low on the glycerine scale (I have no idea what the fuck that means) so it's not a bad thing to add to your plate and also it burns slow so it keeps you feeling full for longer.
Perhaps I need this
http://www.zeronoodles.com/
Also, have you tried peanut curried chicken with couscous? It's fucking amazing! Like, seriously amazing.
http://i42.tinypic.com/sqmmtl.jpg
You make some good points, but I think they're different than what I was getting atQuote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Make a list of all the things women like. Three brought up in this thread are (1) super confidence, (2) smooth talking, and (3) a great body. Jack Sawyer made that point that the first two are all you need, and my point was that if you have the latter you don't need the first two. Both of those are true
Furthermore, I would argue that when all things are reasonable, changing body composition has the biggest effect on attraction for women. As long as you have a decent level of style, manners, intelligence, status, etc, you'll get the most bang for your buck in improving your body. You could argue that women are just as attracted to the physical as men. If they're not, it's still really close.
In my personal life, I've always been a smooth talker and have a great personality, but I've noticed a pretty substantial difference is womens' attraction to me just on how my body changes. Back when I was a ripped 190, I didn't have to work for any attention at all, but as I gained weight and got up to 240, they treat me like if I want to be close to them, I have to work for it.
I wish I was you!Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
before you got fat ldo
im also crazy. it runs in the family
curious about the porridge for breakfast thing. Also been recently reading about alternating meat/nuts for breakfast.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
i often eat porridge (olive oil fried sunflower seeds, cashew nuts, + fresh diced apple, then add water and wholemeal oats and boil, served with more fresh fruit + dash of honey or brown sugar + some kefir or yoghurt). It seems really good in terms of providing day long energy. Thoughts? then again, I do a lot of exercise, so maybe it's just like poker and it depends. I often also do fresh fish/eggs/veg for breakfast cos tasty. Hmm.
I enjoy bread and butter and mayo and potatoes and things like that, and have lots of these things every week.
BMI sucks as a measure of anything but I'm around 22 fwiw
ROFLMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect
Style, as I'm learning, is very important. The average guy, can get a lot more points buying better fitting clothes than dropping a few % of body fat. That being said, there are only 3 types of "looks" for men;1) That repulses women and only godly amount of personality would draw them to himFor anyone who ketos, highly recommend adding this to their coffee. Makes getting the right amount of fat easy.
2) Average, you are 100% reliant on personality, but if you happen to have one "it" feature for the women in question you can do well
3) the omg let me touch you body (different for different women) in that case you just have to stand there look pretty and be nice.
I always advice people to drop sugar and start with heavy cream to get used to not having sugar in brewed coffee. It's a lot easier to do this way, and cutting cream once you have no sugar is a lot easier. It also eliminates a lot of the cravings associated with coffee when you drink it sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
Interesting. I'm a big bacon and eggs fan for breakfast. No, its not perfect, but its got protein, reasonable calories, easy to cook and tastes delicious. I tend to think a lot of people focus on the minutia rather than just fixing the basics. I need improvement, but I know the issues. Serving sizes, and eating while drinking account for my biggest issues. If I control those the weight drops without much issue. Most of the crap has long been removed from my diet (other than if I've had a drink, then I tend to eat it).Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Interesting. I'm a big bacon and eggs fan for breakfast. No, its not perfect, but its got protein, reasonable calories, easy to cook and tastes delicious. I tend to think a lot of people focus on the minutia rather than just fixing the basics. I need improvement, but I know the issues. Serving sizes, and eating while drinking account for my biggest issues. If I control those the weight drops without much issue. Most of the crap has long been removed from my diet (other than if I've had a drink, then I tend to eat it).Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Chocolate brownies and ice cream. mmmmmmmmm. Fuck abs!
fuck ya. i already had a magnum ice cream today and would eat another. fuck fitting into my wedding suit.
lol
BAM goes the belt buckleQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
ooh you rebel youQuote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
God damn those are good ice cream bars.
I would love to have been in the room when this conversation took place:
A) Let's call these things magnums, 'cause they're epic!
B) Isn't that the name of those condoms? The big ones?
A) I'm OK with that.
Jyms, what are your thoughts on trophology?
I actually had to look up the term, but it's just a term for food combining. I'm very pro adjustments to food intakes for what works for you. I don't think things are cut and dried for most people so if you try stuff give it time to work, and don't be afraid to trust your body and how it feels. I think it's best to spend time finding and eliminating the foods that don't work for you, whether it's as simple as a carb rich or fat rich diet, certain proteins or grains. I don't do well on starches, like most people that gain fat and muscle easily. I need to use carbs to get stronger and more anabolic (muscle) but I can't get lean at all when I eat starches for many reasons.
As long as you know your goals and how things are supposed to effect your body comp and energy then you should be able to find that right mix.
I trust my body when it tells me it wants chocolate.
I really want an Ice Cream Cake for my birthday, because I've never had one (still not 100% sure what it is) and I imagine the only time I will ever get one is if I specifically ask for one for my birthday. The problem is in the UK they don't seem to exist.
Does anyone know where you can get them from in the UK?
Do you guys have Dairy Queen out there? They should definitely have them.Quote:
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NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
jyms what area are you in?
Where do you train at?
When did you start training... & where?
I'm from Ontario & used to be night manager at Gold's Gym (Mississauga). Also worked downtown Gold's (TO) & Scarborough... all just after they'd first opened. ('SuperFitness' before that). I thought I'd seen that you are from Canada & was thinking if you were from out East (I'm in BC for years now), maybe these would ring a bell.
Here you go Savy - Click here to find ice cream cakes in UK!
Not disguising the link, 6/10 could troll better.
Yeah the link hider on lmgtfy wasn't working, it got stuck on 'fetching' :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
I'm in TO. I actually started out in Superfitness as desk help back in the mid 80's. Right now I live in the Queen West area but come from the beaches. There is about a 50% chance I could end up going out to BC for a few years, most likely the island.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poker Orifice
I started working at a gym called Alfie's on the Danforth. It was a old school gym, wood floors and steel weights. It was also a boxing gym and had training equipment but no ring. I just stopped working at Goodlife back at Christmas, I absolutely hated it. I'm not cut out to stand around the gym counting peoples reps.
my go to breakfast lately has been 3 eggs scrambled w/ 1 avocado, 3-5 slices of bacon, handful of pistaschios, then a shake with peanut butter, banana, chia/hemp/flax seed, almond milk, scoop of protein powder, honey, and cinnamon. keeps me full for a solid 4-5 hours and is damn good.
also been doing nearly all of my weight training past few weeks with kettlebells, pretty fun change up and the extreme kettlebells dvd kicks my ass, still can't make it all the way through.
@GMML. You have been eating that way for a while now, how has it changed things for you? Strength going up? Weight? Energy?
Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
I worked at SuperFitness (@ 5 & 10 in Mississauga) in '82.
Also used to run a personal fitness training business while living in Vancouver (mid 90's) & worked for awhile at 'FitnessQuest Gym' (near Broadway & Cambie). Had Reese Witherspoon as a client (big deal huh, LoL... she hated working out & was a no-show fairly often).
I have a question, kind of.
This time last year I was probably 135-140, and now I currently weigh 100-101 lbs max. Most the weight was lost was face/stomach/legs/arms, and my stomach is all meh looking imo. How can I tone that?
Also - how the fuck could I have lost all that weight, without really doing anything? Honestly the only difference was me not taking any anti-craycray medication. Besides that all I've really done at all was not eat as much sugar. I mean - I still eat potatoes like crazy, which I know breaks down to sugar in the body.
And something else - since I've lost weight, my heart has been doing it's moody shit again, so much so I had to wear a heart monitor again, and in 3 recorded things I had 140-145 events, and my heart rate got up to 135. It wasn't doing this when I was bigger. I'm diagnosed with PVC, Tachycardia, and MVP. He wanted to put me on beta-blockers, which he admitted would make me feel sluggish, plus I'd taken those before and wasn't too fond of em, and I'm trying to stay away from pills and shit unless I absolutely have to take them.
tl;dr - how do i fix flabby tummy, how the fuck did i lose 40 lbs, why the fuck is my heart moody when i'm skinny but not fat?!?!?!?!
Many "craycray" medications actually cause weight gain. The better you can control taking those the better you can control weight. It's why when you go to see a trainer or fitness pro they ask you about previous injuries, medications and depression.
As for midsection and flab, you need to work out with weights, tone the muscles and not the skin. Eating healthy and taking proper supplements will make the skin more elastic and tighten, Also, kin takes time to unstretch, so you also need to give it time. Things that make it last longer is age, nutrition, health and even time you were overweight.
Your heart is another issue. It can be caused buy many things. Weight loss and heart palpitations or irregular beat could be an overactive thyroid. It could also be other stresses. You said your feeling your emotions more, your new "mental health" situation could be causing new stresses the body hasn't dealt with. First thought though, thyroid. Hve it checked.
Emotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelle
You'd think it'd be emotions - but, this heart thing was also happening when I was skinny before. Which well, was like 4 years ago. It hardly acted up when I was bigger, and well, I was fucked emotionally during that time. Hell - honestly even though I'm dealing with more actual emotions, I feel like I'm handling them a lot better than several people would, then again, I have no fucking idea.
I drink tons of water, eat more veggies, and eat less things with sugar, for the obvious reasons. Oh - and I have braces.
I have had this too when I was younger, why is my heart beating so fast? It makes no sense?! As I came to realize later it was all normal. I'm now helping a friend with her anxiety attacks for a few weeks now (over skype when I have some free time). She had these moments where she almost fainted. Of course her initial explanation was "but it's not panic because X, Y and Z". It is really hard for people to learn this but in her case she's finally making some headway in understanding all these emotions she is feeling and how they are linked to physical expressions in her body. (it's a bit awkward to talk to her about this stuff because she's an ex and we were never this open about anything, but I'm just too interested if I can help someone with this knowledge i think I have)
you know you can't put it in over skype right?
Been there done that but yeah my current girl seems to have stolen my heart, my mind isn't going those places anymore for other girls atm. I know i know i'm weird :P. And it doesn't help that she already suspects me being a 'casanova and bad boy'. She literally told me a few times already. I am totally not a player but now I have to prove to her I'm not anyway. Lol?
(second time we met I pulled out my phone to input something she wanted me to (some movie she wanted me to watch to talk about later) but stupid samsung was still stuck at the phone number of a girl which she must have seen on my fb later is very pretty, it was a total coincidence but i was like fuck and quickly hit back back, but she already saw it. "Ex-gf?" Me: "Eh no.. we kissed once I mean if you call that a gf.." then she kissed me and said "now *I* am your gf!" - such a cool girl really, but she has been dropping the other girl's name a few times, shows it's really stuck in her head..)
WP kiwi
If you talk like this around her I don't think you have to worry about her suspecting you of being a bad boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
hahahah
The bad boy thing was more in the beginning because she said I reminded her of a guy she knows that got a friend of her pregnant then hopped on from other girl to other girl (she even showed me a picture of this guy lateron, dafuq?). Lateron (this may sound braggy but whatever) she said I was the smartest person she ever met. Apparently I default speak very fast, have always thought provoking things to say (she'll often tell me to speak slower "you are doing it again!" - before she also said "I can understand everything you are saying but it takes a little while for me to process it you know, but you just keep going", because I am so nice (all her friends like me etc) and because when I'm talking it's apparently always interesting "I just like to hear you talk it's so fun". I've actually been hearing that last bit more often, maybe it IS player time lol.
This has created this kind of dynamic where she's always trying to show me how smart she is, she'll tell me about some clever thing she did and I'll be like "oh wow great honey!" and she'll be all proud. She's actually a really clever girl btw, she's just doing some modeling work now to pay for university, she's starting media studies in october.
Yes as you can see she really has my head spinning. Also I'm mister cool among my friends atm because I scored a model. Life is good :D *knocks on wood*
Model, media studies, thinks you're clever.
Really clever.
pick 1
To counter-balance my current enthousiasm, she's eastern european and girls from there are always very open-minded towards belgian/dutch/etc guys, the west is very rich compared to over there.
today marks the day i went from a 32x32 to a 34x32. it's a sad day for all of mankind.
lol'dQuote:
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where in East Europe is she from? you been to visit?Quote:
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Sounds like 'one' of my pant legs, LoLQuote:
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I didn't know asians could gain weight.Quote:
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lol that happened to me about 5 years ago, but I kept trying to squeeze into the 32 for a while.Quote:
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In other news, I just put extra cheese on my oven cook pizza, thought that was somehow relevant to the thread.
hahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
hahahahaha even moreQuote:
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This thread has peaked with that hat trick of hilarity.
fu rong