NL Hold'em Book

What do you think the best NL book is. I have read Super System and loved it. Are there better books out there?


Also would you recommend getting Poker player magazine?

Originally Posted by strangebird

What do you think the best NL book is. I have read Super System and loved it. Are there better books out there?

Save yourself 4-8 buy-ins and don't follow the NL super-system advice on Party. Well, at least not most of it.

1. Brunson plays bigger stakes with bigger stacks relative to the BB. He gets far better implied odds with his suited connectors. Also, on PP AQ is still trouble, but goes up in value considerably.

2. He's an amazing reader of people. This allows him to make plays on the other guy's hole cards that are very difficult if not impossible online.

3. Between the lower limits and the fact hitting a button requires less thought than physically moving chips poor players are less inclined to fold. Do read his section about poor players (and one player in particular at the WSOP.) Then read it again.

Speaking of Party Poker.....man what a freakin' site. I just starting playing there again after using Paradise for a while.....it's just so hard to put people on a hand at Party Poker. They call pre-flop raises with anything! Anything! Stuff they shouldn't even call the BB with, and they call a 5XBB raise.

There are certainly more swings and more highs and lows on PP. You can't bluff people unless they have absolute garbage. If they have 3rd pair, they are stickin' in there. On Paradise, you can raise with AKo, get a caller or two, see a baby flop, have them check it to you, and feel pretty sure that nobody has anything (unless they slow played a pocket pair). Throw that logic out the window at Party Poker. They called your raise with AKo with J6o, and they will call with that 6 with the 6/7/2 flop.

ARRRGH!

I know that in the long run a good player should be able to make money at Party Poker, but I'm having some trouble making the adjustments needed to swim with the fishes so far.

Originally Posted by Fnord

1. Brunson plays bigger stakes with bigger stacks relative to the BB. He gets far better implied odds with his suited connectors.

I've not read the book, but Fnord makes a good point here. That type of game would require a different strategy than the Party Poker games.

What I really hate about Party is that when you do play smart, more often than not you would have won the hand had you stuck in. Like folding your 7/2 o and the flop comes 7-7-2. If I didn't shave my head, I'd probably pull my hair out. And you are right. People will play anything wether they're in the blinds or not. So I've learned to play premium hands only and not rely on drawing if a small flop comes. I hit one or two big pots and call it a day. On to the next site.

Pot Limit and No Limit Holdem by Bob Ciaffone and Stuart Reuban.

This book has been spoke highly of and although I have it, I haven't read it yet, still working through TOP and POP. I probably won't read it until I start a NL challenge for myself :P

TJ Cloutier has a book out on it but i've heard its a bit of a stinker and to avoid it.

Also has anyone read "Inside the Poker Mind" ? I'm hearing great things about this book, I think its about hand reading and such.

Cloutier's book wasn't too shabby, IMO. I'm not sure how the guy ever makes money off of AKo though, as he makes betting on a missed flop with it sound like a cardinal sin. He does admit though that many other players use some different tactics than he does (including his co-author, whose name I forget).

dr, i'm sure he means that's how he plays in a tournament, which isn't a bad strategy. It was in the tournament section wasn't it?

I think most poker books out there are for medium/high limit games and won't work at low limit games, super system is a perfect example of this. Lee Jones winning low limit holdem should work well with party poker's low limit games.

Speaking of books...if you haven't heard already Super System 2 announced and will be coming out later this year, with new collaborators including, negranu, harman, johnny chan (!), and some from the original like mike caro. chip reese and bobby baldwin. His son is also contributing, he's pretty good at tournaments as well. I'm curious to see what will be included, and why he's doing it, he's said he regretted writing the original book but is coming out with a new one. I'm guessing there will be a big tournament section in.

Also for ripptyde, heard Dan Harrington is coming out with a book soon.

Any release date on Super System 2 yet? I Have read the first many times and its like music to my ears to find out hes making a new one.


strangebird the best NL book is by far the one you have already read. But as many have already pointed out most of the information in Super System only applies to High stake games. But I think the most useful section of that book is not the NL section, but the general poker concept section. It includes many great insights and if u haven't read it or havent read it throughly I highly recommend you do so.

Also I dont think the key to winning online is nessiarly going to be found in any book. Online NL holdem is very different from live play in many ways. I think the best way to learn is by playing and developing your own style.


toasty I picked up "Inside the poker mind" on ebay 2 months ago and its a great book. It gives you a new understanding of way certain people play like they do and how to counteract it. Highly recommend it.
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And one last thing about PP. Im always seeing especially form new players complaining that the right move never plays off for them. ie folding 72 and the flop comeing 772. Well lets say you played 72 everytime you got it, the bet you lose everytime you play this hand will add up much more then the one pot u take down when you hit a miricale flop. Winning at Poker isnt about 1 or 2 hands, it isnt about 1 or 2 sessions, Its about thousands and thousands of smart plays finally adding up to make you a profit all with the right amount of time.

as far as I know the release date will be october 1st

Originally Posted by DrNoChance

Cloutier's book wasn't too shabby, IMO. I'm not sure how the guy ever makes money off of AKo though, as he makes betting on a missed flop with it sound like a cardinal sin. He does admit though that many other players use some different tactics than he does (including his co-author, whose name I forget).

Cloutier seems to have one big theory that all play can be based on. If you hand is good enough to play, raise.

You should only do 2 things. Raise or fold. Only check if it's an option and you want to fold.

I see how this can work. I can understand why TJ is such a great player. When you get other people sweating every time they play against you, you will come out on top quite a bit. But I also see a lot of occations that you may want to call. and this is why I find it hard to play his way.

I'm heading out tomorrow to buy Skalansky's Tournament Poker for Advanced Players. I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself, but I think it may be very informative.

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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998

What I really hate about Party is that when you do play smart, more often than not you would have won the hand had you stuck in. Like folding your 7/2 o and the flop comes 7-7-2. If I didn't shave my head, I'd probably pull my hair out. And you are right. People will play anything wether they're in the blinds or not. So I've learned to play premium hands only and not rely on drawing if a small flop comes. I hit one or two big pots and call it a day. On to the next site.

After reading the "mix up your play to confuse the competition" stuff in HEfAP, I raised pf with 72s. Flopped 72x, raised/re-reraised all-in, turn = 7. 72s doubled me up AND I achieved my "I'm stupid" advertisement. How perfect is that?

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