pokerev is applicable here. it helps to illustrate my point, and its the origin or the won without showdown jazz. i also typed up another huge post but deleted it because there's just so many factors involved that give results and i cant cover most of them.

a high won without showdown doesn't mean higher wr. kotkis' graph isn't as impressive as everybody thinks. im not denying he's an excellent player, but i am denying the weird idea everybody has that its somehow better than having a high won at showdown. he sacrifices a won at showdown for won without showdown. as to what is better, we do not know.

he says he thinks its because he value bets super thin and has a super high wsf. okay. i have at least as high a wsf as anybody at ssnlfr and value bet at least as thinly, probably higher on both, but i dont see these results. its simply a matter play style of me and my opponents. on the flip side, i have a super high won at showdown. this keeps me from being able to have much of a won without showdown.

also the filtering in PT and pokerev are entirely different. PT filters mainly for pf stuff while pokerev filters for specific postflop situations or hand types. PT does that sorta in a roundabout way if you use the game notes tab, but you kinda gotta use it daily to figure that stuff out. i find zero use for pokerev filters since i go over my trouble hands after each session, this basically covers most of the hands that i would get via filtering with pokerev. PT on the other hand filters for pf very well, which can be used see how youre doing with what from where and played how. this is extremely valuable since it lays the foundation for everything. you could be a playing an entire type of hand from a certain position in a certain way and losing with them overall and never ever know it if you dont look at it from PT filters. i do not believe that pokerev does this, and what it does is more in the lines of what we see in HH forums and people just trying to figure out tough postflop spots in isolation. pokerev filters to find those hands, PT filters to show you how you're doing with certain hole cards.