NL200 KK 3way action, Turn

SB - 43/17 fish, 20% donkbet 120 hands, BU 30/11 over 50 hands (fish)
Turn plan, i think i`m ahead of SB range, just jam it in or call/fold? mhm

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($200)
SB ($93.90)
BB ($200)
UTG ($271)
UTG+1 ($232)
MP1 ($218)
Hero (MP2) ($228)
CO ($113.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K
3 folds, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($23) 10, 8, Q (3 players)
SB bets $23, Hero calls $23, Button calls $23

Turn: ($92) 5 (3 players)
SB bets $63.90 (All-In)

call is much better than shipping. we have the Kc so if BTN wants to come along with some Jc combo draw or TP+fd we should let him. he's gonna pay us off on club rivers.

plus we aren't getting him to fold better hands if we go all in

i thought this was 100nl and turn bet was an all-in for everybody, my b. call turn and shove most rivers. even fishies raise their 2pr/sets on flush boards so i'd be fairly confident you are ahead.

ok if i call and BU ships it, just calling?

raise flop to $52 and fold if button ships and call if sb ships

I think folding flop is better than calling

as played it's such a crap spot b/c button's range includes both nut hands and weak pairs/sd's/gutter etc, I prob just fold turn

Originally Posted by PapalRage

i thought this was 100nl and turn bet was an all-in for everybody, my b. call turn and shove most rivers. even fishies raise their 2pr/sets on flush boards so i'd be fairly confident you are ahead.

but if u call they may take KK out of your range, underrepping your hand and a draw may push over the top of u, then what? i dont want to see 3 way river

If you think you're ahead of SB and BU is a feesh, jam.

raising flop small with intention of getting in with smaller stack, and folding in bigger reship/gives action was one of ideas i thought about, i still think with Kc calling is fine
how does your plan changes if we dont have Kc?

jam. if you just call the bu will play perfectly v u on river ip (bad).

redzilla do you like raising the flop, or as played fine + jamming the turn?

i don't really think it matters what you do on the flop, there is merit to raising and calling.

Originally Posted by caddie444

raise flop to $52 and fold if button ships and call if sb ships

I think folding flop is better than calling

as played it's such a crap spot b/c button's range includes both nut hands and weak pairs/sd's/gutter etc, I prob just fold turn

0/3.

^^^

Appreciate some input then Zilla. I just don't see why calling flop can be good since any A,Q,J,9 or club basically forces us to fold turn if Bu comes along... I'm guessing you expect the button to play pretty straightforward with a set/flush/2P and raise flop if we just call so we can comfortably fold to a raise.

re:

Originally Posted by caddie444

raise flop to $52 and fold if button ships and call if sb ships

Do you think that raising small is bad since it doesn't allow the button who's a fish to make that many mistakes vs us?

think about every way this hand plays out. i haven't actually done any of the math but i'd guess you mis-evaluate that, hand ranges, and equity.