The more I think about this....

the more I think I can fold it. Large stack is 18/6/2 over 425 hands and I don't recall him really ever getting out of line. No reads on shorty but he doesn't matter in the scheme of things. This isn't your normal "Can I fold KK preflop?" question--I would rarely advocate that. This may require a little more thought due to stack size (146 BB effective), and preflop action. I told myself, "this has got to be AA". I sent this in a session review to another person and they more or less said this was fine, but I'm not so sure....

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($69.25)
BB ($121.35)
UTG ($39)
UTG+1 ($108.15)
MP1 ($18.05)
MP2 ($39)
MP3 ($45.50)
Hero ($146)
Button ($171.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, Button calls $5, 1 fold, UTG (poster) raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $55, Button raises to $176.2 (All-In), UTG calls $24 (All-In), Hero ????????

Calls with fist pumping action? Makes a disciplined fold that may or may not be wrong?

To me, a cold call pre-flop followed by a push once there's a lot of money in the pot looks more like AK than AA. Or he thinks you're trying to isolate the shorty and he's trying to out-isolate him. But that's probably thinking way too deep for this guy.

I call without second thought.

call. This cant be AA unless hes awful.

someone did this same thing to me with AA

I stoved this giving shorty a wide range and nit QQ+/AK, and it still showed me at over 50%. Taking QQ out only dropped that a couple percentage points, so I guess I still have to call, except that I was certain it was AA....

How can you fold with all that money out there? You getting 2.5:1 on your money with KK. UTG's range is huge which you're killing and AK/QQ make up just as much of his range as AA if not a lot more.

This guy is a huge nit and I was more or less convinced this was AA.

I don't think QQ or anything less makes up any of his range here actually. I think his range here is AA/KK/AK and that's about it.

I actually considered the fold but called because of the money already in and the tiny chance I was ahead of AK here.

stop trying to talk yourself into oflding KK preflop to odd action. If this had been the standard bet 3bet 4bet type thing then yeah, i could argue getting away at 150~bbs deep, but not THIS way.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

stop trying to talk yourself into oflding KK preflop to odd action. If this had been the standard bet 3bet 4bet type thing then yeah, i could argue getting away at 150~bbs deep, but not THIS way.

Doesn't this action look more suspicious than a normal 3bet/4bet? I normally NEVER fold KK preflop, as I said, this spot just had the spidey senses going. A nit trying to trap, then all of the sudden OMG I PUSH!!!

I guess the other part discussion is, at what level do you ever consider this? Usually it's not $100 or below due to the stupid pushes you see, but I would think people are smart enough at higher levels not to push AA preflop, and get value from them other ways? Other posts I have seen say never for 100 BBs--well this is 150 BBs. Only against a nit of all nits--well this guy is a nit. So the end-all be-all is....NEVER, even at $1000 NL, do you fold KK preflop?

I was up against AA (nit) and AK (shorty), FWIW...