I gave a shot to Aok's counterplay strat and...

I tried to perform that supertight passive counter strategy written by Aokrongly. Here is some situation I want to know about if "is it a pure counter play?". I decided to give it a shot in order to learn my patience and forge some discipline, here we go:

Is it a pure counter play?

Sportingbet $0.05-0.10

1. AQs UTG+1, I limp so do 4 other players. If someone raised up to 5xBB I'd call, but no raise was made. I flop TPTK on QTx board, check called 1XBB flop, then the same on turn (J). JTQxx rainbow on river, I called 1xBB, showed my pair of queens and took the pot woth of about 10BB. Pure counterplay was good here?

2. AA, MP, 1 limper, I raise 5xBB (not a CtPlay I know, it was my contitional reflex), 3 callers, flop Q24 2 spades, turn 5, river K, no flush, rags make wheel possibility, I check-call 1/3 potsize bets from 1 opponent and beat his QJ. Pot was around 40BB here. Counterplayed g00t? (except that PF raise, it should be limped in CtPlay strat, then check-called small bets if overpair or raise huge on turn or river if aces tripped or better? )

3. KQo on LP, lot of limper I limp too in the hope to hit straight draw. Flop K22 2 diamonds, I check-call small bets (1/4 pot and less), third deuce on turn, checkcall and third diamond on river. The opp (big blind) bets pot (around 25BB + 25BB bet), Should I have pushed here AI? I thought, my hand was strong but not pure nuts, I called here. He showes me his 2 diamond rags and types "you fucking fish".
Deuces full vs (flush OR quads OR better fullhouse). Minraise or raise big or AI or just call? I felt really fishy after just calling...Probably counterplay mistake (should I have raised by little one-card boat?)


About tight play:

I muck everything that is not a TT+ pair, or AK, AK and AQ in EP, and lay down my TPTK, TPGK, underpair on clear demonstration of strength on turn/river.

High s00ted connectors in LP and lot of limpers are only usable to straight/flush hand, I lay top pair hand if I'm not drawing to the nuthand.

Not a lot playable situations in that style of play, What do you think about those 3 hand (according to counterplay strat)?

Uh...well...you played pretty passively, and that may have limited your profits a little bit.

The counterplay was designed for use against extremely aggressive opponents, which are not always found at the microlimits. Playing ABC poker probably would have netted you much mroe overall, justbecause of the calling stations and such.

Remember: counterplay is supposed to be a version of enlightened calling station mentality. Don't do it against other calling stations or people that aren't routinely aggressive.

Next time, in all those positions, you should take control and bet.

But maybe that's just because I'm more of an aggressive player and counterplay doesn't really suit me unless there are other very aggressive people at the table.

I limp on the button with QQ, 5 limpers, big blind raises 3x, 2 callers, I call too. Axx 2 clubs. 5xBB bet by big blind player, UTG calls, me too. I trip my queens on turn (still flush draw on board), check by BB, UTG 5xBB bet, I go AI, BB folds and UTG calls. I see his rockets and lose my stack.

Bad judgement of opponent?

I wouldn't limp QQ on the button. Unless you can put them both on flush draws, I would lay down the flop bet, as QQ with an A showing isn't that great. Turn looks good.

Yes, yes, yes. All excellent plays. On the last one, if you figured you had the best hand - which was fairly obvious from the bets into you, then you go ahead and push or bet so much it will bleed when he pees. That's the "please don't call my obvious bluff move". And the call you'll get 1 out of 3-4 times Makes UP for chips you could have won on other hands but left out of the pot by playing passively.

You also noticed, I'm sure that alot of times those crazy hands that beat your quality cards hit. And counterplay kept you from making those bets and raises that would have drained your stack, I'm sure.

Excellent counter-play, and it's perfect for SB .05/.10. Counterplay was written for SB under $1/2 level.

And actually counterplay IS made for other calling stations more than agressive players (although it works for both). Counterplay isn't trapping - although it will trap people. It's a strategic way of playing that limits your losses, acts as a tilt buffer, and keeps your opponents totally in the dark all at the same time. At the .05/.10 SB tables it has NO downsides. And I mean that literally. They will call those ai pushes when you have the nuts, and they WON'T FOLD their draws - which they hit (as a table) with frightening regularity. So it's perfect for that group of guppies.

Thanks Aok for encouraging feedback! I decided to play some counterplay again - opportunities to "raise so much that they'll bleed when peeing" are rare, but it's unbelievable how often opponents call huge raises.

After 6 hours of 3-tabling 25NL) net profits were about $90, after playing comfortable, non-tilt clean poker. However in the beginning, limping with AA felt really bizarre LOL...

The lion's share of profits are from destacking several players, who really wanted to see how real "nice hand" looks like

But here go some questions:

- How to counterplay high (JJ+) overpair or mid overpair (99+) on total rags board? My play was checkcalling small bets (1-2BB), in the case opponent is betting underpair (and optional result can be tripping up, but it's only bonus, only 1:23 odds), then checkfold bigger bets when not improved.

- How to counterplay AA/KK from SB/BB preflop with several limpers? I guess, there are two options: raise preflop huge to the point it hurts when they pee (hilarious metaphore BTW )
OR
check, draw to trips and check-call reasonable bets in order to get paid off by top pair/underpair/lower overpair holder?

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Hand #99520069 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Tue Sep 13 03:17:12 2005

TheTruth is at seat 1 with 30.39
vanky is at seat 2 with 13.48
vicnik is at seat 3 with 39.86
PW45 is at seat 4 with 18.12
ragen is at seat 6 with 23.69
_Vrax_ is at seat 7 with 23.38
gigi99 is at seat 8 with 18.53
Preze$ is at seat 9 with 39.29
The Vig is at seat 10 with 11.43

The Vig posts the large blind 0.25
Preze$ posts the small blind 0.12

Preze$: --, --
The Vig: --, --
TheTruth: --, --
vanky: --, --
vicnik: --, --
PW45: --, --
ragen: --, --
_Vrax_: Ah, Ad
gigi99: --, --

Pre-flop:

TheTruth: Call 0.25
vanky: Call 0.25
vicnik: Fold
PW45: Fold
ragen: Call 0.25
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
gigi99: Fold
Preze$: Call 0.25
The Vig: Check

Flop (Board: Kh, 8d, Ac):

Preze$: Check
The Vig: Check
TheTruth: Check
vanky: Bet 0.25
ragen: Call 0.25
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
Preze$: Call 0.25
The Vig: Fold
TheTruth: Fold

Turn (Board: Kh, 8d, Ac, 4d):

Preze$: Check
vanky: Bet 5.00
ragen: Fold
_Vrax_: All in
Preze$: Fold
vanky: All in

River (Board: Kh, 8d, Ac, 4d, Jd):


Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: Ah, Ad (three of a kind, Aces)
vanky shows: Kc, 9d (a pair of Kings)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 27.06 with three of a kind, Aces

(1.40 rake were taken for this hand)



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Hand #99528827 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Tue Sep 13 03:48:07 2005

TheTruth is at seat 1 with 28.15
vanky is at seat 2 with 11.07
mekilla is at seat 3 with 0.00
malc is at seat 4 with 33.07
kastor is at seat 5 with 29.19
ragen is at seat 6 with 14.87
_Vrax_ is at seat 7 with 39.66
gigi99 is at seat 8 with 7.90
miktam2 is at seat 9 with 26.53
djgee_2000 is at seat 10 with 32.22

malc posts the large blind 0.25
vanky posts the small blind 0.12

vanky: --, --
malc: --, --
kastor: --, --
ragen: --, --
_Vrax_: 9h, 9c
gigi99: --, --
miktam2: --, --
djgee_2000: --, --
TheTruth: --, --

Pre-flop:

kastor: Fold
ragen: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
gigi99: Fold
miktam2: Fold
djgee_2000: Fold
TheTruth: Fold
vanky: Call 0.25
malc: Check

Flop (Board: 6c, 6s, 5s):

vanky: Check
malc: Bet 0.50
_Vrax_: Call 0.50
vanky: Fold

Turn (Board: 6c, 6s, 5s, 9d):

malc: Check
_Vrax_: Check

River (Board: 6c, 6s, 5s, 9d, 2h):

malc: Bet 0.75
_Vrax_: Raise 2.00
malc: Raise 5.00
_Vrax_: Raise 14.00
malc: Call 14.00

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: 9h, 9c (full house)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 28.30 with full house

(1.45 rake were taken for this hand)

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Hand #99545083 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Tue Sep 13 04:51:07 2005

MCK 1961 is at seat 1 with 16.00
mitchell1 is at seat 2 with 24.13
dnaplus is at seat 3 with 19.50
lilbrat1 is at seat 4 with 23.83
_Vrax_ is at seat 5 with 22.41
tigherAAA is at seat 6 with 14.48
ragen is at seat 7 with 16.28
FagsRUs is at seat 8 with 9.74
ritzrazz is at seat 9 with 23.63
gus handsm is at seat 10 with 24.75

_Vrax_ posts the large blind 0.25
lilbrat1 posts the small blind 0.12

lilbrat1: --, --
_Vrax_: 10s, Jc
tigherAAA: --, --
ragen: --, --
FagsRUs: --, --
ritzrazz: --, --
gus handsm: --, --
MCK 1961: --, --
mitchell1: --, --
dnaplus: --, --

Pre-flop:

tigherAAA: Fold
ragen: Fold
FagsRUs: Call 0.25
ritzrazz: Fold
gus handsm: Check
MCK 1961: Call 0.25
mitchell1: Fold
dnaplus: Fold
lilbrat1: Call 0.25
_Vrax_: Check

Flop (Board: Qc, Kh, Ac):

lilbrat1: Bet 1.00
_Vrax_: Raise 2.00
FagsRUs: Raise 4.00
gus handsm: Fold
MCK 1961: Fold
lilbrat1: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 8.00
FagsRUs: Call 8.00

Turn (Board: Qc, Kh, Ac, 9d):

_Vrax_: Bet 2.00
FagsRUs: All in

River (Board: Qc, Kh, Ac, 9d, 9s):


Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: 10s, Jc (ace high straight)
FagsRUs shows: As, Kc (two pair, Aces and Kings)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 20.18 with ace high straight

(1.05 rake were taken for this hand)

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Hand #99547383 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Tue Sep 13 05:00:48 2005

mitchell1 is at seat 2 with 23.76
dnaplus is at seat 3 with 16.87
lilbrat1 is at seat 4 with 22.70
_Vrax_ is at seat 5 with 34.63
tigherAAA is at seat 6 with 11.73
ragen is at seat 7 with 22.08
Zenis is at seat 8 with 14.50
gus handsm is at seat 10 with 25.60

dnaplus posts the large blind 0.25
mitchell1 posts the small blind 0.12

mitchell1: --, --
dnaplus: --, --
lilbrat1: --, --
_Vrax_: Kc, Kh
tigherAAA: --, --
ragen: --, --
Zenis: --, --
gus handsm: --, --

Pre-flop:

lilbrat1: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
tigherAAA: Fold
ragen: Call 0.25
Zenis: Call 0.25
gus handsm: Fold
mitchell1: Raise 2.75
dnaplus: Raise 7.00
_Vrax_: All in
ragen: Fold
Zenis: Fold
mitchell1: All in
dnaplus: All in

Flop (Board: 4d, 4c, 5c):


Turn (Board: 4d, 4c, 5c, 4s):


River (Board: 4d, 4c, 5c, 4s, 6c):


Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: Kc, Kh (full house)
mitchell1 shows: Qs, Qh (full house)

Sidepot 2:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 10.52 with full house

dnaplus shows: 10s, Ad (three of a kind, Fours)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 51.86 with full house

(3.00 rake were taken for this hand)

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Hand #99552686 at table: Table TH 456
Started: Tue Sep 13 05:23:07 2005

Hammer37 is at seat 1 with 3.85
_Vrax_ is at seat 3 with 10.50
Chando16 is at seat 4 with 9.75
sk_man05 is at seat 5 with 9.90
ResQguy is at seat 6 with 11.03
trickless is at seat 7 with 11.76
arrajapela is at seat 9 with 4.50
JR1111 is at seat 10 with 12.50

sk_man05 posts the large blind 0.10
Chando16 posts the small blind 0.05

Chando16: --, --
sk_man05: --, --
ResQguy: --, --
trickless: --, --
arrajapela: --, --
JR1111: --, --
Hammer37: --, --
_Vrax_: Ad, 10h

Pre-flop:

ResQguy: Fold
trickless: Fold
arrajapela: Call 0.10
JR1111: Raise 0.30
Hammer37: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 0.30
Chando16: Fold
sk_man05: Call 0.30
arrajapela: Call 0.30

Flop (Board: 10c, 4d, 10d):

sk_man05: Check
arrajapela: Check
JR1111: Bet 0.70
_Vrax_: Raise 1.40
sk_man05: Fold
arrajapela: Fold
JR1111: Call 1.40

Turn (Board: 10c, 4d, 10d, Ac):

JR1111: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 0.10
JR1111: Call 0.10

River (Board: 10c, 4d, 10d, Ac, Jd):

JR1111: Bet 0.70
_Vrax_: Raise 5.00
JR1111: Raise 9.70
_Vrax_: All in

Showdown:

JR1111 shows: Kd, 5d (King high flush)
_Vrax_ shows: Ad, 10h (full house)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 20.60 with full house

(1.05 rake were taken for this hand)


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Hand #99554822 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Tue Sep 13 05:32:12 2005

Nitsa is at seat 1 with 9.83
mitchell1 is at seat 2 with 44.85
UnklRico is at seat 3 with 35.29
lilbrat1 is at seat 4 with 41.17
_Vrax_ is at seat 5 with 71.89
tigherAAA is at seat 6 with 7.79
ragen is at seat 7 with 19.26
xxGambitxx is at seat 8 with 10.15
stikkan is at seat 9 with 14.37
Prishtina is at seat 10 with 5.96

xxGambitxx posts the large blind 0.25
tigherAAA posts the small blind 0.12

tigherAAA: --, --
xxGambitxx: --, --
stikkan: --, --
Prishtina: --, --
Nitsa: --, --
mitchell1: --, --
UnklRico: --, --
lilbrat1: --, --
_Vrax_: As, Qd

Pre-flop:

stikkan: Call 0.25
Prishtina: Check
Nitsa: Fold
mitchell1: Call 0.25
UnklRico: Call 0.25
lilbrat1: Fold
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
tigherAAA: Call 0.25
xxGambitxx: Check

Flop (Board: Qc, 8d, 9d):

tigherAAA: Check
xxGambitxx: Check
stikkan: Check
Prishtina: Check
mitchell1: Check
UnklRico: Bet 1.25
_Vrax_: Call 1.25
tigherAAA: Fold
xxGambitxx: Fold
stikkan: Call 1.25
Prishtina: Call 1.25
mitchell1: Fold

Turn (Board: Qc, 8d, 9d, 3h):

stikkan: Check
Prishtina: Check
UnklRico: Bet 1.25
_Vrax_: Call 1.25
stikkan: Call 1.25
Prishtina: Fold

River (Board: Qc, 8d, 9d, 3h, 2h):

stikkan: Check
UnklRico: Bet 1.25
_Vrax_: Call 1.25
stikkan: Fold

Showdown:

UnklRico shows: Ks, Qh (a pair of Queens)
_Vrax_ shows: As, Qd (a pair of Queens)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 12.35 with a pair of Queens, Ace kicker.

(0.65 rake were taken for this hand)

Here comes the next sample of bizzare CTplay hands.

Calling down the top pair holder. I'm not sure of river bet, should I just show down my TPTK?

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Hand #102260561 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Sun Sep 18 05:50:37 2005

HOLLA12 is at seat 1 with 0.00
theking420 is at seat 2 with 24.75
schlepy is at seat 3 with 0.00
weiyin is at seat 4 with 12.64
vicnik is at seat 5 with 24.75
_Vrax_ is at seat 6 with 70.61
cobra14 is at seat 7 with 55.11
bearcub is at seat 8 with 6.66
ja is at seat 9 with 8.12
teflon con is at seat 10 with 41.20

ja posts the large blind 0.25
bearcub posts the small blind 0.12

bearcub: --, --
ja: --, --
teflon con: --, --
theking420: --, --
weiyin: --, --
vicnik: --, --
_Vrax_: Kc, Ad
cobra14: --, --

Pre-flop:

teflon con: Fold
theking420: Call 0.25
weiyin: Fold
vicnik: Check
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
cobra14: Fold
bearcub: Fold
ja: Check

Flop (Board: As, 9c, Jh):

ja: Check
theking420: Check
vicnik: Bet 1.00
_Vrax_: Call 1.00
ja: Fold
theking420: Fold

Turn (Board: As, 9c, Jh, 7d):

vicnik: Bet 1.50
_Vrax_: Call 1.50

River (Board: As, 9c, Jh, 7d, 7h):

vicnik: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 3.00
vicnik: Call 3.00

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: Kc, Ad (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
vicnik shows: Ac, 10s (two pair, Aces and Sevens)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 11.52 with two pair, Aces and Sevens, King kicker.

(0.60 rake were taken for this hand)



Action in front of me, flush draw with multiple callers forced me here to push hard on flop with max (pot-limit) raise...well sometimes pure counterplay may lead to crack great hands more often, but it's all paying off when it's cheap to make nut-hand.
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Hand #102258709 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Sun Sep 18 05:42:05 2005

alano is at seat 1 with 10.24
steck57 is at seat 2 with 14.47
schlepy is at seat 3 with 3.79
weiyin is at seat 4 with 8.09
sanfandila is at seat 5 with 5.00
_Vrax_ is at seat 6 with 45.37
cobra14 is at seat 7 with 56.73
bearcub is at seat 8 with 8.03
ja is at seat 9 with 8.55
teflon con is at seat 10 with 24.25

weiyin posts the large blind 0.25
schlepy posts the small blind 0.12

schlepy: --, --
weiyin: --, --
sanfandila: --, --
_Vrax_: 2s, 2d
cobra14: --, --
bearcub: --, --
ja: --, --
teflon con: --, --
alano: --, --
steck57: --, --

Pre-flop:

sanfandila: Call 0.25
_Vrax_: Call 0.25
cobra14: Fold
bearcub: Call 0.25
ja: Call 0.25
teflon con: Fold
alano: Call 0.25
steck57: Raise 0.50
schlepy: Call 0.50
weiyin: Call 0.50
sanfandila: Call 0.50
_Vrax_: Call 0.50
bearcub: Call 0.50
ja: Call 0.50
alano: Call 0.50

Flop (Board: 2c, Ah, 6s):

schlepy: Check
weiyin: Check
sanfandila: Check
_Vrax_: Check
bearcub: Check
ja: Check
alano: Check
steck57: Bet 0.50
schlepy: Fold
weiyin: Fold
sanfandila: Call 0.50
_Vrax_: Call 0.50
bearcub: Fold
ja: Fold
alano: Call 0.50

Turn (Board: 2c, Ah, 6s, 9h):

sanfandila: Check
_Vrax_: Check
alano: Check
steck57: Bet 1.00
sanfandila: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 6.00
alano: Call 6.00
steck57: Call 6.00

River (Board: 2c, Ah, 6s, 9h, 9s):

_Vrax_: Bet 8.50
alano: All in
steck57: All in

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: 2s, 2d (full house)
steck57 shows: Ad, Qd (two pair, Aces and Nines)

Sidepot 2:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 7.56 with full house

alano shows: Js, As (two pair, Aces and Nines)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 32.52 with full house

(2.10 rake were taken for this hand)

This is a pretty impressive testimonial to COUNTERPLAY.

Now I have to try this out.

Let's see if I've got this right: Call Call Call - Drop the bomb!

Okay that's easy enough.

Syn

I'm not sure about this hand vis-a-vis counterplay. On the one hand, I feel like I performed the strategy correctly, and if I had been playing normally he may have stacked me. On the other hand, bet so much it hurts when he pees backfired. Thoughts?

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($24)
UTG+2 ($21.75)
MP1 ($23.75)
MP2 ($25.97)
MP3 ($47.05)
CO ($32.55)
Button ($12.60)
SB ($4.50)
BB ($24.43)
Hero ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.5, 4 folds, BB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, UTG+2 calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2.10) K, 5, 2 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, BB folds, Hero calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.60) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero raises to $3, UTG+2 folds, MP2 calls $2.50.

River: ($9.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4.

Final Pot: $17.60

Results in white below:
Hero has As Ad (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 2s 2d (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: MP2 wins $17.60.

Originally Posted by kimjongillin

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

CTPlay in Pot Limit is not so good - when you develop a boss hand, it's necessary to make a huge overbet.

About your hand:

AA/KK UTG in counterplay is limp-RERAISE hand. Not limp & call After MP2 raising you should pot-reraise, narrow the field and pot the flop. You'd probably lose more money this way at THIS flop, but that's how the Aces/Kings should be played in counterplay.

GL

i just reread:

Early or mid pos - call and Hope someone raises behind you. If noone raises you have to look at it as a drawing hand and hop for trips. Call TPTK bettor down, but don't go slinging chips with multiple players in the hand post flop. You hand value decreases dramatically.

standing up and switching to NL. will post results

damn this is really working well

if i hadn't gotten stacked by some fish calling me all-in preflop KKvs99 i would be up huge

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($20.45)
SB ($30.75)
BB ($10.35)
UTG ($12.15)
UTG+1 ($52.70)
UTG+2 ($4.90)
Hero ($31.85)
MP2 ($34.23)
MP3 ($16.52)
CO ($79)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.5, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.40, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2.25) 4, Q, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, SB calls $1, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.

Turn: ($5.25) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, SB calls $1, Hero raises to $6, MP2 calls $5, SB calls $5.

River: ($23.25) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, MP2 folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $29.25

Originally Posted by Vrax

About tight play:

I muck everything that is not a TT+ pair, or AK, AK and AQ in EP, and lay down my TPTK, TPGK, underpair on clear demonstration of strength on turn/river.

High s00ted connectors in LP and lot of limpers are only usable to straight/flush hand, I lay top pair hand if I'm not drawing to the nuthand.

aokrongly: i have a question regarding tightness here. Do you play low pairs and KQs style hands at all with this strategy or is the TT+ rule good?