Can I actually fold this set here?

Villain has been in a blind war with me once before where I took down a decent pot without showing.

POKERSTARS GAME #5041615044: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/05/24 - 20:18:59 (ET)
Table 'Komppa' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: savagewarior ($34.10 in chips)
Seat 3: EspenX ($80.70 in chips)
Seat 5: ricestud ($149 in chips)
Seat 6: Majin Legacy ($140.05 in chips)
Seat 7: PhotoNut ($96.35 in chips)
Seat 8: sharpshot82 ($33.50 in chips)
Seat 9: oldneil ($53 in chips)
Majin Legacy: posts small blind $0.50
PhotoNut: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Majin Legacy [2s 2d]
sharpshot82: folds
oldneil: calls $1
savagewarior: folds
EspenX: folds
ricestud: folds
Majin Legacy: calls $0.50
PhotoNut: checks
*** FLOP *** [5d 2h 6s]
Majin Legacy: bets $3
PhotoNut: raises $3 to $6
savagewarior said, "l"
oldneil: folds
Majin Legacy: raises $6 to $12
PhotoNut: raises $6 to $18
Majin Legacy...?

Fix your hole cards. Its all messed up. I think you have 22?

Given that read Id push but you may be toast. What chance do you give it that this is simply a good hand (less than set) that he is pushing? It all depends on that.

65, if he really thinks of full of shit, then perhaps a 52/62, but I doubt he's holding the other deuce.

Originally Posted by mxiu

65, if he really thinks of full of shit, then perhaps a 52/62, but I doubt he's holding the other deuce.

No, id be worried more about 55,66,34.

Originally Posted by EricE

Originally Posted by mxiu

65, if he really thinks of full of shit, then perhaps a 52/62, but I doubt he's holding the other deuce.

No, id be worried more about 55,66,34.

I was relaying the hands I could beat that might 4-bet me.

Originally Posted by mxiu

Originally Posted by EricE

Originally Posted by mxiu

65, if he really thinks of full of shit, then perhaps a 52/62, but I doubt he's holding the other deuce.

No, id be worried more about 55,66,34.

I was relaying the hands I could beat that might 4-bet me.

Id take it to the felt.

Oh, forgot to factor in 77-99'ish.

Whats with all the minraises on the flop? Make a real raise on the flop and then if he reraises, push. It is very possible you are beat here, but given your only read listed I dont think you can fold here.

I raised him once, and it was 6 dollars, right after he raised me 3. =/

If we're really nit-picky, I can go 9 more? It's him that's min-raising the hell out of me...

Originally Posted by mxiu

I raised him once, and it was 6 dollars, right after he raised me 3. =/

If we're really nit-picky, I can go 9 more? It's him that's min-raising the hell out of me...

I didnt notice that, but it still is not a big raise and I think you should have raised more on the flop.

Minreraises are extremely weak.

They do nothing to define your opponent's hand, yet they completely give away your own hand, and generally lose value against semi-aware players with second best-type hands.

It wasn't a min-raise @_@

It was a small raise, I probbaly should've tacked on an extra 3 dollars or so, but it wasn't a min-raise =/

i think its an instant call only because range is so wide and he might just have an over pair or a gutshot....but u cud make a case for folding only because it could get costly and it is possible he has u beat....

Not to speak for him - but Renton may be saying that opponent has 55/66/34 here and risks losing value to you.
Minraising more than once definitely wants a call and even more wants you to come over the top.

I'm leaning towards the flopped straight.

Minreraises are extremely weak.

They do nothing to define your opponent's hand, yet they completely give away your own hand

It seems like everyone has this reflexive, somewhat groupthinkish attitude toward minraising--that it's something you should never do. It is often a donk move, but I definitely think there are places where it's good.

Renton--can you explain your above statement? IMO, they define your opponent's hand very often, at least at the lower levels, where people instamuck after weakly cbetting an unlikely flop. They certainly don't give away your hand in these cases. If you're just talking about in cases where you have the nuts and are trying to extract value, I agree to an extent, yet it seems to be often very effective in getting an additional turn call out of people overplaying TPTK/TPGK, i.e. nearly everyone at lower stakes.


Back on topic, I think you're beat here, and this is a case where I could lay down a lower set. Like you said, you're basically praying villain has 56, no? No way in hell does 77-99 play it this way. Any higher PPs raise PF. Lay it down.

the other day a short stack (like 20bbs maybe?) raised, the cut off called (he had 100bbs and i cover), and then i min reraised with AA on the button hoping the short stack would push and the other full stack would get caught in the middle. it has its uses.

also, just push the flop! dont try to read the hands when you have a set on the flop, just push!

Originally Posted by samsonite2100

Minreraises are extremely weak.

They do nothing to define your opponent's hand, yet they completely give away your own hand

It seems like everyone has this reflexive, somewhat groupthinkish attitude toward minraising--that it's something you should never do. It is often a donk move, but I definitely think there are places where it's good.

Renton--can you explain your above statement? IMO, they define your opponent's hand very often, at least at the lower levels, where people instamuck after weakly cbetting an unlikely flop. They certainly don't give away your hand in these cases.

It doesn't define hands well because villain will typically call a minraise with an extremely wide range. They completely give away your own hand because they basically say "i have a hand that I know is the best, so I am going to make you pay the minimum amount in an effort not to chase you away"

The only time I regularly minraise is on the river. It doesn't cause as much damage there, because there aren't any cards left to come (and hence no reason to protect your hand).

I pushed, scary turn and river, villain shows 65, I scoop.