almost rippy

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PokerStars Game #1042989616: Tournament #4333056, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/01/05 - 22:36:12 (ET)
Table '4333056 2' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: costas (5840 in chips)
Seat 2: documento (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: kneelb4this1 (5825 in chips)
Seat 4: Batroon (13680 in chips)
Seat 5: Suncoast (3420 in chips)
Seat 6: willtravel (1405 in chips)
Seat 7: Tens1orBette (2500 in chips)
Seat 8: PattyPCake (3530 in chips)
Seat 9: footballguy (1210 in chips)
footballguy: posts small blind 15
costas: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to documento [5d 7h]
documento: raises 1550 to 1580 and is all-in
kneelb4this1: folds
Batroon: folds
Suncoast: folds
willtravel: folds
Tens1orBette: calls 1580
PattyPCake: folds
footballguy: folds
costas: raises 4260 to 5840 and is all-in
Tens1orBette: calls 920 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2s 8h Kh]
*** TURN *** [2s 8h Kh] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 8h Kh 4h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
costas: shows [8d 8s] (three of a kind, Eights)
Tens1orBette: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Kings)
costas collected 1840 from side pot
documento: shows [5d 7h] (a flush, King high)
documento collected 4755 from main pot
footballguy said, "that's just wrong"
Tens1orBette re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $10.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6595 Main pot 4755. Side pot 1840. | Rake 0
Board [2s 8h Kh 4h 3h]
Seat 1: costas (big blind) showed [8d 8s] and won (1840) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: documento showed [5d 7h] and won (4755) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: kneelb4this1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Batroon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Suncoast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: willtravel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Tens1orBette showed [Ad Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: PattyPCake (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: footballguy (small blind) folded before Flop

Although it wasn't played like a rippy because you were in early position and early in a tourney.

BTW, 74o always beats 75o. Sure you got the flush, but 74o would have managed forcing the board cards to make a full house instead of a mere flush.

Just to clear up the power of a rippy...

Playing a rippy is not for the short stack. A rippy is only powerful when you are in a dominating chip position (usually with table position as well) where you can add fear into the equation and have a tight table image to back up the play. Table position is key since you want to push the full force of the rippy at one person. It looses value if it is diluted into a multi-way pot. Early in the tournament its not a good idea either. There are still the numnuts looking to gamble up on anything. Once people have 2-3 hours invested in a tournament the numnuts are mostly gone and the people left are less likely to call an all-in without a top tier hand.

What makes it profitable is that Rippy (the player, note the capitalization) has so much folding equity when you add all the factors together. He probably forces a fold like 70% of the time and when he's called, sucks out the appropriate percentage.

Moral. 1) Don't play a rippy until you can recognize with 70-80% certainty that you can fold out your opponent with the bet... 2) Never call with a rippy unless you were re-raised and the raise is small compared to the pot.

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I just don't want people misusing a rippy and loosing money because of it....

- sed

Well said, sed.

With that said...

Last night in the hand directly after raising 5x with JJ and folding out the table I tried to get some action going by playing aggressive stupid for a few hands.

So I raised 10x with 25o in late position into a single limper who had about 15x in his stack.

Guy re-raises me all-in... Couldn't let that go so I call him...

He flips KQs

Flop comes 25xxx and I laugh my ass off for about half an hour.

This happened about an hour after I called his all in when I flopped quad 7s.
Needless to say he was a little irked.

I did get more action for the rest of the night...

- sed

could i get a little explanation of the Rippy play, is it just picking a random hand that's generally quite weak to try and push someone out and steal a raise ?

Don't think all-in in early position with a weak hand early in an SNG constitutes a rippy. That's just plain crazy.

pretty much but the official hand is a 74o....

- sed

it was one of the first hands in the 10 $ ra, this IS a rippy move.

If you want to believe that, go ahead, but you'll be wasting money and busting out of a hell of a lot of tourneys earlier than you otherwise could have. We're trying to help.

What sed said is key. Summarized, 3 factors that make this exactly the opposite of a rippy play. Probably the importance of which is in this order: 1. Small stack. 2. Early position. 3. Early in tourney.

Look at the so-so hands that called you. How do you explain that?

Originally Posted by TheDoc

it was one of the first hands in the 10 $ ra, this IS a rippy move.

Originally Posted by FlyingSaucerAttack

Look at the so-so hands that called you. How do you explain that?

"ra" means Rebuy/Addon. It's a perfectly acceptable move in hopes of building a stack.

-'rilla

lol, my mistake. I never play rebuys. Well, once, but I despise the concept.