25nl hands

***** Hand History for Game 4225035374 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, May 09, 13:11:10 ET 2006
Table Table 95570 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Dan_N_Jenn ( $17.47 )
Seat 3: toivo123 ( $35.50 )
Seat 4: Colicoli111 ( $42.97 )
Seat 5: CHORTO ( $12.80 )
Seat 7: TigerBax69 ( $13.29 )
Seat 6: pwnosaurus ( $25 )
Seat 10: Ekunde ( $22.20 )
Seat 1: moriczka ( $4.90 )
Seat 8: kimosaby111 ( $6.60 )
Seat 9: I_Laurent_I ( $24.75 )
toivo123 posts small blind [$0.10].
Colicoli111 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pwnosaurus [ 4h 4d ]
CHORTO calls [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 97605 Table!.
pwnosaurus calls [$0.25].
TigerBax69 calls [$0.25].
kimosaby111 folds.
I_Laurent_I calls [$0.25].
Ekunde folds.
moriczka folds.
>You have options at Table 96509 Table!.
Dan_N_Jenn folds.
toivo123 folds.
>You have options at Table 96957 Table!.
Colicoli111 raises [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 95359 Table!.
CHORTO calls [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 98379 Table!.
pwnosaurus calls [$0.25].
TigerBax69 calls [$0.25].
I_Laurent_I calls [$0.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 4c, 8h ]
>You have options at Table 95359 Table!.
Colicoli111 bets [$0.25].
CHORTO folds.
pwnosaurus raises [$2.25].
TigerBax69 folds.
>You have options at No Maximum Table!.
I_Laurent_I calls [$2.25].
Colicoli111 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
pwnosaurus bets [$3].
I_Laurent_I calls [$3].
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
pwnosaurus bets [$4].
I_Laurent_I raises [$8].
pwnosaurus...


Hand#2

***** Hand History for Game 4224987863 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, May 09, 13:01:22 ET 2006
Table Table 96957 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: res00v2u ( $0 )
Seat 3: Weener0021 ( $22.60 )
Seat 6: DoctorFunke ( $24.75 )
Seat 8: DrSven69 ( $28.18 )
Seat 9: allinang111 ( $66.28 )
Seat 10: Bob1na ( $10.10 )
Seat 4: pwnosaurus ( $25.75 )
Seat 1: cookie_baker ( $25 )
Seat 5: jmycrackcorn ( $23.75 )
Seat 7: phAntOmAcEs2 ( $7 )
Bob1na posts small blind [$0.10].
>You have options at Sand Shark Table!.
res00v2u has left the table.
cookie_baker posts big blind [$0.25].
>You have options at Table 96509 Table!.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to pwnosaurus [ Kh Ks ]
Weener0021 folds.
>You have options at Table 96509 Table!.
pwnosaurus raises [$1].
>You have options at Table 95359 Table!.
jmycrackcorn calls [$1].
allinang111: i had jj
>You have options at No Maximum Table!.
DoctorFunke folds.
>You have options at Table 96509 Table!.
DrSven69 folds.
>You have options at Sand Shark Table!.
allinang111 raises [$4.24].
Bob1na folds.
>You have options at Table 96509 Table!.
>You have options at Table 97605 Table!.
cookie_baker folds.
lakeroost has joined the table.
>You have options at No Maximum Table!.
>You have options at Table 98379 Table!.
pwnosaurus ..........

#1 you are beat. Crying call?

#2 push. you only have a buyin. if he has AA or spikes an A, so be it and reload

Originally Posted by AHiltz

#1 you are beat. Crying call?

#2 push. you only have a buyin. if he has AA or spikes an A, so be it and reload

Originally Posted by Renton

Originally Posted by AHiltz

#1 you are beat. Crying call?

#2 push. you only have a buyin. if he has AA or spikes an A, so be it and reload

..or call and try to get all your money in if the flop has no ace?

Originally Posted by jackvance

..or call and try to get all your money in if the flop has no ace?

This lets Ax off to easily. Against AK if you play it like this you put your self in a situation postflop where you either can get no money in because he has no hand, or you can get no money in because KK is obviously beat. The only good scenario that can become of this is if the case K falls.

True, but you might extract money from Ax hitting his x, or a simple c-bet (he did reraise you quite strongly, he might want to follow up) from hands that would have folded a flop push. Similarly JJ/TT might give you more money, depending on the flop, because you masked your hand strength.

If I know my opp is a cautious person, I call here.. I only push if I think he's a guy who would call with a greater range of hands. Would you guys always push here without exception?

Originally Posted by jackvance

True, but you might extract money from Ax hitting his x, or a simple c-bet (he did reraise you quite strongly, he might want to follow up) from hands that would have folded a flop push. Similarly JJ/TT might give you more money, depending on the flop, because you masked your hand strength.

If I know my opp is a cautious person, I call here.. I only push if I think he's a guy who would call with a greater range of hands. Would you guys always push here without exception?

A call isn't bad. I am just pushing here because the average villain will pay me off with QQ/AK and sometimes JJ.

i did exactly what you guys suggested

The first hand guy had 23s for the flush

and the other hand he had JJ