200nl - straight vs turn c/r paired board

[Nekrogovner]

Well, if you shove you might have some tiny fold equity vs other KJ or flush draw, and since very few hands should be actually raising you on this turn (QQ,QT, 99, T9, TT, very brave KJ diamonds), fold seems like a decent option.

[Donachello]

Well, if you shove you might have some tiny fold equity vs other KJ or flush draw, and since very few hands should be actually raising you on this turn (QQ,QT, 99, T9, TT, very brave KJ diamonds), fold seems like a decent option.

Shoving to turn the nut straight into a bluff seems fucking atrocious. Do you have any idea about his 3bet bluffing range preflop? Does he like to 3bet hands like J8s or is his mostly value and SC? or Axs? That might help to construct some sort of preflop calling range for him here. Would this type of player raise Tx on the flop? I think you kind of have to call and reevaluate the river. It's certainly possible he has a combo diamond straight draw, Tx, and obviously FHs.

I agree that regardless what it is his range is pretty narrow so it's relatively close either way.

[wakeup]

Shoving to turn the nut straight into a bluff seems fucking atrocious. Do you have any idea about his 3bet bluffing range preflop? Does he like to 3bet hands like J8s or is his mostly value and SC? or Axs? That might help to construct some sort of preflop calling range for him here. Would this type of player raise Tx on the flop? I think you kind of have to call and reevaluate the river. It's certainly possible he has a combo diamond straight draw, Tx, and obviously FHs.

I agree that regardless what it is his range is pretty narrow so it's relatively close either way.

Yeah i dont think we can ever shove as a bluff. I havent got any particular reads on the hands he 3bets or how wide c/r's. Interesting though, i dont think i fully thought about what hands he was 3betting