WTF AHHHHHHHH

[BankItDrew]

will this is the shits man. don't ever give up on the investigation. because of this thread, i'm taking precautionary measure.

you have my support, not sure how i can help, but don't hesitate to ask

[ProZachNation]

Dude that sucks, hope you can get this fixed. And hopefully this is a wake up call to everyone else as well. Gotta take precautions.

Rooting for you man! gl

[will641]

This sucks will, sorry man. Same guy MSNed me a few days ago but I gave him nothing.

Only thing I would say is get on the phone to stars ASAP. Fuck emailing them.

i asked them a few times for a phone number and/or to call me immediately, but they never responded. i even provided them with some dialogue from these fucks saying it has to be these guys, but they never said anything like, okay we will investigate those guys and their history, or say anything about contacting besides bullshit email.

[silu73]

Wow. Just woke up to read this thread. I'm really sorry to hear this man. Hope you can manage to get this straightened out.

[will641]

this is their response from me asking them to call me. theyve sent me this email like 3 times now. im beginning to think stars is run by a bunch of bots.

Hello Will,

Thank you for your email.

Your email has been forwarded to the person in charge of your case, he
will be contacting you as soon as possible.

If you require further assistance do not hesitate to contact us back.

Regards,

Sebastian
PokerStars Security Team

[Numbr2intheWorld]

It's an automated message, hopefully they can get to you quickly. The guy isn't going to be able cashout successfully in one day.

[Warpe]

Have some faith, Will. PokerStars support is the best and their investigations are very thorough. Don't expect instant answers.

[givememyleg]

yes if you're lucky about anything it's the fact that this happened on pokerstars.

[boost]

I would suggest when you get the chance to reformat your HD and change ALL of your passwords.

[Miffed22001]

It's an automated message, hopefully they can get to you quickly. The guy isn't going to be able cashout successfully in one day.

providing he is US based yes.

If he has a neteller then the money is already gone.

Will, be reassured that if stars get on the case they will act, its just there is little you can do if they chip dumped etc

[Pythonic]

This is disgustingly sick! Who thinks keeping a majority of their BR off a poker site is a good idea now?

[will641]

well just got off the phone with them. im fucked, busto. it was that faggot from spain though. FUCK YOU YOU COCK SUCKING MOTHER FUCKER.

[BankItDrew]

This is disgustingly sick! Who thinks keeping a majority of their BR off a poker site is a good idea now?

i've taken steps towards already, due to this thread

[a500lbgorilla]

This is the sickest thing I've read about in a while. Sorry I can't help.

[aka_red]

weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Warpe]

well just got off the phone with them. im fucked, busto. it was that faggot from spain though. FUCK YOU YOU COCK SUCKING MOTHER FUCKER.

Oh man...

Did they give you the IP address or just say it originated in Spain?

[BankItDrew]

there's got to be a way you could bring this guy to court somehow (this might be impossible considering locale). You have times, IP addresses etc.

[jackvance]

It looks a lot like the hacker is that guy that just posted here, conveniently about "there is nothing you can do about it just let it go"..

Btw are you really sure you didn't click any sort of executable? Did you use IE to surf to the site he linked?

[Seabass]

Shit, only now noticed it, this is so fucking sick.

[zxqv8]

This is doubly disgusting. First in that it actually happened, second in that there's no recourse for it. It's like a Nigerian scammer just reached into your pocket and took money but there's still no way to prosecute him.

Let's hope he buys meth with it and chokes on a tooth that falls down his throat. Fucking cocksucker thief.

[will641]

Hello Will,

I did a little more research about the site {removed link} and
I was able to find that the IP address that this web site has registered
is from Spain as well as the two accounts that I found as hackers.

The two accounts are 'janyroo' and 'Unsui' and they are both from Spain,
please understand that due to our privacy policy I can not provide you any
more details from these players but if you report this to your local
police we will be able to provide them with any information that they may
need to further persecute these people.

The account 'janyroo' had a balance of $43.76, I have transferred these
funds to your as recovery; I understand that it is not much nor it is
nearly as much as the amount you have lost but this is the only amount of
money that I was able to recover for you.

In order to reinstate your account, as a standard procedure, I need you to
send me a clear copy of a valid government issued ID so that I can provide
you with a new password and a Secure ID.

Due to the amount lost I strongly suggest you to file a police report on
these players, we will provide all the information that they need to file
a case against them.

I have attached a report with a few of the hands that we reviewed for
possible dumping, you can see that they are legit hands and that we were
unable to find any kind of chip dumping.

edit: removed link to the malicious site - halv

[Pythonic]

The U.S. Police won't do jack shit about this. It is out of their jurisdiction.

[Deuce Blue]

Dude, I am sooo fucking sorry. That is just the worst thing I have ever read.

Hope the bastard rots in hell.

[Irisheyes]

Is there some sort of e-war we can wage against this guy? This makes me sick to my stomach?

[thizzSantaCruz]

wow dude that's such bullshit and I really feel for you. FTR trip to Spain so we can kick some hacker ass?

[zxqv8]

The two accounts are 'janyroo' and 'Unsui' and they are both from Spain,
please understand that due to our privacy policy I can not provide you any
more details from these players but if you report this to your local
police we will be able to provide them with any information that they may
need to further persecute these people.

Not trying to make light of the situation or anything, but I really hope they do this.

[zook]

we will be able to provide them with any information that they may need to further persecute these people.

The only funny part of this whole thread.

I'm confused as to how PS knows that these accounts were the hackers if there is no evidence of chip dumping? Who got all of the $$$?

[will641]

they said that the hackers just simply lost all the money on the tables.

[boost]

wait.. weird, so they didnt even chip dump? They just were having a joyride? Thats almost sicker. Like if its a scam you can almost admire the clever way that they screw people out of money (almost!) but if its just a joyride.. I mean.. idk, its just such a waste.

Another gross thing is that he has been toying with you after the fact, posting on here, talking on msn. Idk, I mean he had to be chip dumping if he cared enough to do all this right?

Anyways, Id ask stars what they suggest you do as far as contacting law enforcement since its an international thing. Im not sure if this is the type of thing they police, but I would think its a good idea to maybe contact interpol. They have to have a cyber crimes department and it would seem that they would be your best chance at getting any compensation, or atleast getting this fucker put in jail.

[Pythonic]

I would think that Stars would be able to know what method of withdrawl type they used and contact them to freeze their assets until some type of an investigation can occur.

[BankItDrew]

they said that the hackers just simply lost all the money on the tables.

to a bunch of various players? maybe they did it for shits and giggles and not for the $$

[Irisheyes]

They didn't withdraw they sat at 5kNL and tried to play and lost it to the regs there.

[Reidak]

yikes

[zook]

they said that the hackers just simply lost all the money on the tables.

I'm feeling stupid... how did they know these two accounts were the hackers if they weren't the accounts that ended up with the money?

[will641]

yeah. well, looks like its back to donkey stakes for me.

[Pythonic]

Well that clears that up then and I highly doubt any law enforcement agency will lift a finger. Since they hacked in your account and you are a US Citizen I would think this would be an FBI issue but I think they would only laugh it up if you persued their services.

[lolzzz_321]

I am literally sick to my stomach.

[Pythonic]

Who's ready to start up a collection box for this poor guy?

[boost]

they said that the hackers just simply lost all the money on the tables.

I'm feeling stupid... how did they know these two accounts were the hackers if they weren't the accounts that ended up with the money?

Im guessing that those two accts are associated with the perpetrators IP address.

[Warpe]

they said that the hackers just simply lost all the money on the tables.

I'm feeling stupid... how did they know these two accounts were the hackers if they weren't the accounts that ended up with the money?

Probably matched IP addresses with the one that was playing on Will's account.

Edit: damn you boost

[Irisheyes]

This maybe a dumb idea but if I was you I would get the HH's off stars and find out who the big pots were lost to when the hackers played. Then I would contact these people through 2+2 or through stars if possible and tell them what happened and ask stars to prove it to them. I know if I was a 5k reg and a low stakes guy got his BR hacked and lost to me I would want to give it back.

[Warpe]

Who's ready to start up a collection box for this poor guy?

Thinking the same thing.

[zook]

Ah yes, ty boost and Warpe.

Really bizarre that they would go through the trouble of hacking an account just to joyride. And in the process blow their whole poker ide cover.

[bigspenda73]

I'll ship after he's confirmed a thorough cleaning of his HD

[Pythonic]

Poker sites should set up some type of security that you have play from your residence of address but I'm sure hackers could get around that too with a simple address change.

[Pythonic]

God, imagine this happening to a full timer.

[ProZachNation]

Poker sites should set up some type of security that you have play from your residence of address but I'm sure hackers could get around that too with a simple address change.

Or at least have the option to set certain IP address that are allowed to play on your account.

[XTR1000]

what a nightmare

Who's ready to start up a collection box for this poor guy?

I´d give some

[mcatdog]

With all due respect, why does will deserve charity ahead of anyone else here who is busto because they never had 13K to get hacked in the first place? At least will is good at poker so he'll be able to earn that money back.

If you want a stake for 50NL or 100NL then just ask and a lot of people here would probably help you, myself included. Don't waste your time at 5NL please. There's no shame in asking for a stake when something like this happens to you.

[Pythonic]

With all due respect, why does will deserve charity ahead of anyone else here who is busto because they never had 13K to get hacked in the first place? At least will is good at poker so he'll be able to earn that money back.

If you want a stake for 50NL or 100NL then just ask and a lot of people here would probably help you, myself included. Don't waste your time at 5NL please. There's no shame in asking for a stake when something like this happens to you.

Put yourself in his shoes and think about it. I know I'd definitely appreciate something like this if it happened to me and I'm pretty sure others feel the same way.

[givememyleg]

[aka_red]

i like the idea of posting in the 2p2 forums seeing if the high staking regs will give u money back

[will641]

look guys, i would obviously really appreciate any help i could get. i think i will be okay though, because i had 272k fpp's saved up (i was saving up for the porsche, looks like that project will be delayed). that will get me 3k worth in supernova bonus', so that will at least get me on my feet again.

[will641]

i like the idea of posting in the 2p2 forums seeing if the high staking regs will give u money back

what exactly should i say to them.

[aka_red]

id prolly give a quick summary of what happened show one of the emails from stars [the one where it confirms you has been haxdd] than a list of the players you lost big pots to and be like if you could contact me that would be great <3

the heart is key btw

also you prolly want to warn them about this poker ide thing

[The Odds God]

that's so sick. reading about this tilts the hell out of me. You have my support, probably can't help though.

Don't give up!

[Pythonic]

I'd be really surprised if the regs gave you anything back.

[givememyleg]

I'd be really surprised if the regs gave you anything back.

i wouldn't

[The Odds God]

I'd be really surprised if the regs gave you anything back.

you have to try

[will641]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...30#post3679930
tell me what you guys think.

[ilosemostly]

err.. you cant get the key logger by just going to their site, right?

[wesrman]

This is so sick dude.
GL...

[bode]

2p2 thread seems good. its nice that sauce was at the table so atleast he can vouch for you if it comes to that.

again, sick that this happened to you and gl getting a roll back together.

[IowaSkinsFan]

After reviewing the HH's, I think there's no way this was just a "joyride." I'd email them again and request some further investigation, especially on the players who weren't regulars in those games.

Wow.

I just read this whole thread and its the sort of thing that puts me off playing poker, absolute madness.

If it's any consolation Will, this thread has probably made a lot of people, including myself, not play poker tonight and instead concisely clean their HD and change passwords etc etc, and that has probably prevented this happening to anyone else in the future.

I'm so sorry mate, hope something sorts out for you.

[silu73]

So sick. I have just forked out money for a total Internet Security package (Bitdefender) and hope this never happens to any of us again!! For all of us a reminder of never ever opening any files from people you don't know.

[Irisheyes]

Guys you really messed up those 2+2 threads, tons of HH's and excitement was not what was needed.


1) You need a reputable poster to make the thread,
2) You need stars to verify that the IPs that accessed the account and played 5kNL were not wills so they dont think will just tilted
3) no accusations
4) talk to a mod before you make the thread to ask can it go in High Stakes NL

[Irisheyes]

If I was you I would PM a mod and get the current threads locked and start again before they fill with useless crap and everyone loses interest.

[Warpe]

Guys you really messed up those 2+2 threads, tons of HH's and excitement was not what was needed.

Totally agree. PS identified 2 Spanish hackers. You guys are widening the net to include people of which there is no evidence that they have any involvement.

[givememyleg]

2p2 thread was deleted

[Warpe]

nope

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=181458

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=181273

[Irisheyes]

here I'll do a draft instead of complaining about what others are doing.

[meeloche]

Shit Will this is horrible. I'm sure I'm not the only one but I am definitely willing to stake you if you need it.

[Irisheyes]

Check all this some information may be wrong. Make sure there are no spelling mistakes.
Make sure you contact stars first and notify them of what you are doing. Ask them to varify the story in the thread.
Make sure the two active threads on the issue are locked before this one is posted. PM a mod.
PM this draft to a mod and ask them to post it. No one will give a shit if you post it yourself. Failing that, get a mods permission to post it it HSNL.


PM this to a mod:

*********************
Some of you might have seen some threads on this matter posted on the 2+2 forums alreads and I would firstly I would like to apologise for the confusion regarding the issue. I'm sure you can appreciate that in cases like this speed is often crucial and obviously when relatively large sums of money are involved tensions run high.

Basically I awoke this morning to discover that my $13.4k bankroll was missing from my pokerstars account without my knowledge. Obviously I emailled stars sequrity rapidly and requested an email containing all recent hand histories played on my account. These hand histories shoed my screen name 'wil__' playing at a 25/50NL table and a 10/20 NL table. I was not in cotrol of my account when these hands were played.

Stars sequrity investigated the matter and concluded that an IP address associated with two seperate pokerstars player accounts from Spain accessed my account last night and played the HSNL hands, losing my BR in the process. You can email stars yourself and they will verify this. I have contacted them and asked them to verify this information within this thread.

x days ago I was contacted by a guy on MSN asking me to visit his website and try out his new poker tracking software. We got talking and stupidly I followed his instructions. I downloaded a file from that website. That MSN contact's IP address has since been discovered to be the same one as was used to play hands on my Pokerstars account. The same IP address also created an account on FTR poker forums and responded in a thread I made about this chrisis attempting to downplay this issue.

Basically this is an appeal for people who were present at those HSNL tables last night to contact me. I would hope that you could find it in your heart to possibly refund some of my money which was lost on those tables by the hackers. This is a very significant sum of money for me. Failing this appeal there is little I can do to recover the money.

Thank you,
_____________________-

I have attached here all correspondance with Pokerstars and also the correspondance which occured between myself and the hacker via MSN.

************************************************** ********

Everybody check this please and say if there is things you would change.

[Irisheyes]

Oh yeah guys btw if you're doing some spring cleaning today, go get Firefox 3 beta 5. AFAIK it greatly reduces the chances of something getting onto your computer just from visiting rogue websites alone.