Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
all right heres what i dont get.

i assume two things: 1) the majority of posters on this forum (posters on most forums on internet works too) are democrats (often libertarian but still vote dem often), and 2) 'welfare state' is a big if not the biggest part of the liberal establishment.

if those are correct, they dont jive with each other. explain. if those are not correct explain.
I guess there are a couple ways to look at it...

One way might be that both sides (i.e. liberal and conservative) historically/traditionally have held views that are just terrible. Welfare, Affirmative action, Patriot act, bible thumping [fill-in-the-blank] rhetoric, etc. are a couple from both sides. I could think of many more. So maybe people like the dems as a whole, but when they see a crock of shit they immediately recognize it.

Another way to look at it might be that everyone they know is a democrat, and let's be honest-- their polices seem much nicer, more friendly, and you come off as a *MUCH* nicer guy arguing that the poor guy living on the street needs a free check and a free house than it is to say that he fucked his life up, is lazy, and doesn't deserve a dime of my tax money, but i digress...