The way to show government should intervene into personal lives

[surviva316]

The Indonesian factory worker has the choice to not work in the factory. He has other choices too, and the reason he chooses the factory work is because it makes him better off ...

This entire section makes my point for me. My point was that the Indonesian factory worker has no choice other than to work in the factory or to starve. You pointed out that they had other choices but they're even worse. And you added to what I'd already implied: that even the factory work isn't something always available to them, so their options are often even worse.

This doesn't help the original point I was refuting, which is that they choose how the institutions are constructed and are not forced into them.

When we talk freedom of choice, that doesn't mean any choice.

Again, I don't think you're following the thread of conversation from the beginning. Freedom of choice is another term that could mean a million things. When we talk about freedom of choice in this context, we're talking about the freedom to choose how these institutions (which in the parent post was mercenaries and mall cops) are constructed. People's institutional power in a society where the institutions are entirely privately funded and controlled would be in direct proportion to how much capital and private ownership they have. Except it'd be well beyond that because only people with disposable capital are going to be able to invest in those institutions. And far worse than even that because private capital is largely made up of corporate spending power, so talking about people at all is optimistic.

So corporatocracy or plutocracy, take your pick. In any case, it's not going to be the common man's choice and self-determination that shapes the institutional landscape. The logic seems to be crony capitalism doesn't work because it's so corrupt, so we better just cut out the middle man and hand all the power directly over to the corrupting force.

The difference between you buying/selling what you want versus the government taxing you to buy/sell for you what it thinks/says you want is very big.

Again, we're not talking about the power you have versus the power the government has; we're talking about plutocratic power versus semi-democratic-republic-elected power (assuming we're comparing this to our government).