The Wall

[CoccoBill]

Dude....it's not the junkies that are getting locked up. Only 297 of them in the entire federal prison system.

Enough with the strawmen. You'll need to be caught with several of the following applying to it before it's considered a felony:

- intent to sell
- large quantities
- hard (schedule 1 or 2) drugs
- near a school or certain public places
- repeat offender
- other aggravating circumstances

All of this varies greatly by state, but the vast majority of possession charges are not felonies. And even then, none of this matters since it's not only about possession charges if drugs are legal. Your argument here earlier amounted to something along the lines of "no legit company has come out with wanting to sell heroin if it was legal". Yes, I wonder why a legit business wouldn't advertise wanting to start an illegal business. If drugs were legal, you can't seriously be thinking that no business would start selling them, doing more R&D on them, you know competing in the market? You're letting your feelings completely cloud your judgement.

Yeah...it's called *physical* addiction. It's caused by the drug. You make it sound like these people are just depressed.

So you mean a typical addict had absolutely nothing going wrong with their life before using, they just accidentally the drugs?

The physical addiction is commonly cited as being the least influential when considering addiction potential. A measure called capture rate is used to illustrate the number of users that become dependent on the substance they're using. Here's capture rates for a few common intoxicants:

Drug % of users
Cannabis 9%
Alcohol 15.4%
Cocaine 16.7%
Heroin 23.1%
Tobacco 31.9%

In case you're wondering, that means tobacco is by far the most addictive, alcohol and cocaine are roughly on par and heroin is a fair amount more addictive than them. The main point, which I'd like you to take a good look at is that approximately 23% of heroin users become addicts, not every single one of them after the first hit, as you seem to think.

http://www.nta.nhs.uk/uploads/danger...dh_4086293.pdf

Right, so why would a doctor ever prescribe cocaine, heroin, or meth? What medical purpose could they serve that isn't already addressed by other drugs? Don't you think that doctors already have a consensus saying that is "the fullest and most accurate description" of illicit drugs? Why legalize these drugs if there is no way to get them legally?

A doctor would probably more likely prescribe buprenorphine or something similar to an opiate addict, not heroin. Cannabis is a great pain killer, ketamine, LSD and ecstasy seem promising in the treatment of depression, PTSD and others.

I don't really know why you're talking about prescriptions though, I've never needed one for alcohol.

Right, but those potentially dangerous side effects are outweighed by the medical benefit. How could you ever make that case for coke, heroin, or meth?

I don't know of many medical benefits of alcohol, tobacco and sugar, yet they kill several orders of magnitude more people than illegal drugs.

I'm really not going to engage in any argument that equates cigarrettes and booze with heroin and meth. I really don't wanna see coke overdose numbers compared to drunk driving deaths, that's all false flag nonsense. Heroin, meth, and cocaine are incredibly more dangerous than the legal substances you're referring to. It's really not even close.

LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU is not what I'd call a sound and rational response to data that is not aligned with your beliefs. This whole conversation has been about the FACT, that just making something illegal affects neither supply nor demand, but creates a wealth of other problems, not to mention running a perpetual was of tens of billions of dollars every year. Your moral crusade is not only ineffective, but an enormous burden to the society.

Four out of five heroin addicts start with prescription pain-killers. Those are legal drugs, that they can get from a doctor. Even you admit that addicts can be quite clever at convincing doctors to give them those drugs. And yet, despite that accessibility, they still turn to heroin.

Ok I see, so we should also make legal drugs illegal, THAT would solve the problem.