The Wall

[JKDS]

And if you think that it's absurd for me to suggest that me not being allowed to smoke weed is an abuse of my human rights, how would you feel if you were told you can't drink wine? Would that not feel a little bit fucking oppressive?

Making wine illegal would result in many less people dieing on the roads. It would relieve a lot of stress on the NHS. It would save lives and money. There is a social case for banning wine. So wine drinkers, it doesn't matter if you personally are a responsible wine drinker or not, your obligation to society is more important than your right to drink whatever liquid you choose to ingest. You must stop drinking wine, or continue to be a bad member of society.

What about laws which try and keep these substances outside the hands of children?

[OngBonga]

What about laws which try and keep these substances outside the hands of children?

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Are we talking about 4 year old children? We also need to ensure they don't get their hands on paint. Or 15-y/o "children"? We also need to ensure they don't get their hands on alcohol and lottery tickets.

I'll tell you this with a high degree of confidence... they aren't many children addicted to heorin, and those that are, well they get taken into care. The laws you speak of exist, they are called child abuse laws.

@Ong - chill out. No one here is really talking about weed. We're talking about drugs that are highly addictive and basically poison.

The right to ingest what one chooses remains the same, regardless of the level of intoxication, or the potential danger. In principle, I am in favour of legalisation of heroin, because to argue that somebody is a criminal for poisoning themself is ludicrous.

But hypothetically speaking....if the price of weed went up 100x, would you still buy it? Would you smoke as often?

I'd grow it and be rich. I'd be worth the risk for £15,000 an ounce. Lots of people would grow it too, which, incidentally, would mean the price would crash. Here's the thing with the black market... values are true. It's £150 an ounce for a reason... markets.

I'm guessing you wouldn't. Which sort of proves my point. If we suppressed the supply of heroin by strangling the flow coming in from Mexico, we would be doing a hell of a lot to keep drugs off the street.

I'm afraid this is just naive. If you stopped the flow of heroin from Mexico, the only thing you're keepin goff the street is heroin. There are other drugs, and these will increase in demand as a direct consequence of the low availability of heroin. You might be able to stop them taking a particular drug, but you will never stop a junkie being a junkie because people like to get wasted, some people don't give a fuck about the consequences, are there are way too many substances that can cause intoxication than can be controlled.

[BananaStand]

The right to ingest what one chooses remains the same, regardless of the level of intoxication, or the potential danger. In principle, I am in favour of legalisation of heroin, because to argue that somebody is a criminal for poisoning themself is ludicrous.

you're not in favor of legalization. You're in favor of decriminalization. It's different.

I'd grow it and be rich. I'd be worth the risk for £15,000 an ounce. Lots of people would grow it too,

No you wouldn't, and lots of people wouldn't either. If you tried to, you'd be shut down pretty fucking quick by a competitor. And when I say shut down....I really mean shot in the face.

I'm afraid this is just naive. If you stopped the flow of heroin from Mexico, the only thing you're keepin goff the street is heroin. There are other drugs,

I think you're being a little naive. Obviously I didn't mean that border agents should be filtering out heroin, but letting cocaine go through. My point is that we'll gain a lot of ground in the war on drugs if we could control who and what comes across the border.

[Poopadoop]

No you wouldn't, and lots of people wouldn't either. If you tried to, you'd be shut down pretty fucking quick by a competitor. And when I say shut down....I really mean shot in the face.

You've been watching too much Narcos. Most people dealing drugs, even the expensive ones, don't get shot in the face.

[BananaStand]

You've been watching too much Narcos. Most people dealing drugs, even the expensive ones, don't get shot in the face.

If there was already a cartel/gang in control of the weed trade in Ong's neighborhood, and Ong decided to enter that market, he'd get shot in the face.

Most dealers don't get shot in the face, because they are firmly in control of their turf, and they shoot the faces of anyone who tries to encroach.

[Jack Sawyer]

wontsomebodythinkofthechildren.gif

Are we talking about 4 year old children? We also need to ensure they don't get their hands on paint. Or 15-y/o "children"? We also need to ensure they don't get their hands on alcohol and lottery tickets.

I'll tell you this with a high degree of confidence... they aren't many children addicted to heorin, and those that are, well they get taken into care. The laws you speak of exist, they are called child abuse laws.



The right to ingest what one chooses remains the same, regardless of the level of intoxication, or the potential danger. In principle, I am in favour of legalisation of heroin, because to argue that somebody is a criminal for poisoning themself is ludicrous.



I'd grow it and be rich. I'd be worth the risk for £15,000 an ounce. Lots of people would grow it too, which, incidentally, would mean the price would crash. Here's the thing with the black market... values are true. It's £150 an ounce for a reason... markets.



I'm afraid this is just naive. If you stopped the flow of heroin from Mexico, the only thing you're keepin goff the street is heroin. There are other drugs, and these will increase in demand as a direct consequence of the low availability of heroin. You might be able to stop them taking a particular drug, but you will never stop a junkie being a junkie because people like to get wasted, some people don't give a fuck about the consequences, are there are way too many substances that can cause intoxication than can be controlled.

Ongabonga speaking reason? I must be high right now