You know it's true. And wuf, I know you're going to try to turn the analogy in favor of Trump with some sort of diatribe about how reality TV has done much more to shape blah blah blah-- but, you know, come on, lol
02-17-2018 09:28 PM
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Trump Is Reality TV, Mueller Is The WireYou know it's true. And wuf, I know you're going to try to turn the analogy in favor of Trump with some sort of diatribe about how reality TV has done much more to shape blah blah blah-- but, you know, come on, lol | |
02-17-2018 09:37 PM
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If the Democratic base ever figured out that Trump is reality TV, the Democrats would probably gets some wins in. |
02-17-2018 09:43 PM
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The Wire wins in the end. The system holds. The aberration is expelled and bearing is reset. | |
02-17-2018 09:57 PM
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Indeed. |
02-18-2018 06:38 AM
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It's not the belief that Trump is an idiot that amuses me, since that's a fair charge, it's the idea that the alternative was somehow preferable. | |
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02-18-2018 11:07 AM
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The idea that he is an idiot is one of the most interesting things to me. Because I think it is all hallucination, of which I was once a part. |
02-18-2018 01:21 PM
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It should be noted that at times I've accused him of being a genius, usually in reference to the way he handles the screeching banshees. | |
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02-18-2018 10:04 PM
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02-19-2018 04:38 AM
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I have no idea how we got to Russel Brand from there, but yes he's an idiot. | |
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02-19-2018 04:52 AM
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The whole "bigly" thing was amusing, to be honest. When I first saw that he used the word, I did what anyone who has never heard the word before should do before diving in... google it. Once I saw it was indeed a word, I found it ridiculously funny that there were people calling him stupid for using that word. If he deliberately used that word knowing it would have this impact, then certainly he's a genius. | |
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02-19-2018 05:30 AM
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Hey wufwugy is your avatar genuine or some kind of sarcasm? I know a lot of guys over there like Trump which is like fine, but you should know that Farage is basically a comedy character over here. |
02-19-2018 06:01 AM
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Farage is comedy to the screeching banshees, sure, but to those of us who have been desperate to leave the EU for well over a decade, he's something of a hero. | |
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02-19-2018 06:50 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37187768 |
02-19-2018 08:17 AM
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The BBC is left-wing state propaganda, of course they're mocking him. | |
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02-19-2018 08:48 AM
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02-19-2018 09:15 AM
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02-19-2018 09:30 AM
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02-19-2018 10:48 AM
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Alright, we've gone on a bit of a limey tangent here. Let's get back to talking about countries that matter. |
02-19-2018 10:59 AM
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02-19-2018 11:29 AM
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The liberal agenda is left wing. Didn't you see all those antifa dickheads waving around flags with socialist logos on? Just because they're pro-Tory, doesn't mean they're not left wing. They oppose Trump, they promote immigration and multiculturism in the most blatantly politically correct way possible, while giving very little attention to right wing views. Furthermore, they absolutely parrot the "victim" strategy employed by the left, they embrace identity politics. Yeah they're left wing, just not quite as blatant as Corbyn. The Tories are left wing, it's insane. Wasn't so long ago I thought we had two right wing major parties, now I see them both as left. What's actually happened is that left and right wing politics have gone completely out of the window and we're left with neo-liberalism and democratic socialism. Neither of those are right wing, and neither of those are particularly appealing. | |
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02-19-2018 01:40 PM
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Not only is it possible, but it can be expected given enough election cycles. That's how probability works. | |
02-19-2018 01:43 PM
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02-19-2018 02:37 PM
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Dude, we're not playing plinko. Election results aren't random. They are the result of conscious decisions made by millions of people weighing different factors. The active decision making negates the effects of probability. |
02-19-2018 03:04 PM
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He never said it does mean those things. | |
02-19-2018 03:43 PM
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Actually, he kinda did. The argument was that Trump's successes prove that his brain works. Boost's reply was "he's not as successful as you think he is". That's wrong. It's also incoherent babbling unless the intent is to suggest that Trump might indeed be stupid, and his success doesn't prove otherwise. |
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02-19-2018 05:53 PM
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1. Why do you equate all his 'success' at business (I guess all the bankruptcies and whatnot don't register) with supreme intelligence? | |
02-19-2018 07:40 PM
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02-19-2018 07:43 PM
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02-19-2018 07:45 PM
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02-19-2018 08:09 PM
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His success is too great and too sustained to be luck. It's also not the result of a 'head start', as I demonstrated to boost a few posts above. |
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02-20-2018 06:28 PM
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My argument was nuanced, but boiled down it has two main points, he likely is not as financially successful as he would like us to believe (this was mostly an implied argument) and that no matter how successful he is, success is not conditional on intelligence. | |
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02-20-2018 07:05 PM
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Why is that "likely"? I mean, if someone out there is making 98,500/year and wants to round up their salary to $100K because it makes them feel good, fine. White lies. Could Trump be guilty of that? Sure. But do you think he's rounding off billions of dollars? If he's only worth $8 billion....what's the difference?? |
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02-20-2018 09:14 PM
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What are you looking for? It is most likely the case that in a plurality of viewers, he was the most important part of the Apprentice (and that niche of reality TV in general) if there was any. Also didn't he go from being nothing in pageantry to being one of the top guys? |
02-21-2018 12:16 PM
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02-21-2018 12:35 PM
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Banana, your understanding of what it means to acquire risk and what the upsides and what the downsides of doing so are is not uncommon, but it is not correct. | |
02-21-2018 12:58 PM
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02-21-2018 01:16 PM
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We're gonna go down a rabbit hole of what "risk" means, and I really don't want to. But the above only holds true in the context of "cheating", as in your analogy. |
02-21-2018 01:50 PM
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Talking about Trump's bancruptcies is pretty pointless. The 6 noted cases are chapter 11 reorgs, which are used to "save" a company from bancruptcy. All of them were Trump's hotels and casinos. Chapter 11 can be filed for for a number of reasons, wuf can probably tell more about it. This however in no way means all his other business ventures have been successful. Trump U, steaks, airline, vodka, travel, magazine etc have all been very much unsuccessful. | |
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02-21-2018 03:38 PM
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You too can own a as many business entities as you want. The paperwork is pretty self explanatory, the filling fee, depending on state, can be as little as $30, and again, depending on state, there may not be any annual fee to stay in good standing. | |
02-21-2018 03:55 PM
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Trumps businesses can't have been going that well otherwise he wouldn't have had to look for a second job. |
02-21-2018 04:02 PM
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False. A car rental business can lower it's standards for who it rents to (say allowing those younger than 26 to rent without restriction) and reap the rewards. | |
02-21-2018 04:14 PM
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Look guys, if we're gonna say that businesses can just assume more and more risk, and all it does is make it easier to turn a profit, then you can all just fuck off. |
02-21-2018 04:37 PM
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Banana, | |
02-21-2018 04:41 PM
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Right.....Melania married him for his risk |
02-21-2018 04:48 PM
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The key is that it isn't easier to turn a true profit-- it's a game of three card monty when you do this. The two show cards read "PROFITS!" and the third card reveals the truth. The crazy thing is, you can actually be unwittingly running one of these three card monty businesses due to ignorance. Or of course it can be intentional. And further, it's not even necessarily against the rules. | |
02-21-2018 04:52 PM
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02-21-2018 05:01 PM
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its a more substantial argument than this conversation deserves. |
02-21-2018 07:02 PM
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02-21-2018 07:14 PM
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Boost might be right in that the space Trump occupies could be a fat tailed distribution. There probably isn't enough data to say at which probabilities deviations from the mean occur. Or maybe there is enough data, we just have to interpret it better. For example, it probably isn't the case that if somebody does what Trump does he will become like Trump, but it may be the case that in a population with a sub-population where people do what Trump does, Trumps arise. |
02-21-2018 08:48 PM
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This just reeks of whiny left-wing uninformed nonsense. Did you hear this at an Occupy protest?? |
02-21-2018 08:51 PM
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02-21-2018 09:17 PM
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Profits can be an illusion. And there are certain hallmarks of smoke and mirror profits. Why read between the lines when I'm happy to tell you exactly what I mean and what motivates my interests? | |
02-21-2018 09:33 PM
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02-21-2018 09:36 PM
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Bingo. I think I was missing some helpful vocab that you supplied in "fat tailed distribution." | |
02-21-2018 09:57 PM
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02-21-2018 10:02 PM
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*regularly + stubbornly and long. |
02-22-2018 05:08 AM
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Cmon my work/not work ratio during my time at FTR is still pretty goddam impressive, and considering I only intend to do this commuting bollocks for six months, it won't be long before things are normal again. | |
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02-22-2018 08:53 AM
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Think for a minute.... |
02-22-2018 10:51 AM
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02-22-2018 11:29 AM
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So let me get this right... | |
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02-22-2018 12:58 PM
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who is "a lot of other people?" |
02-22-2018 01:06 PM
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I can't fucking believe that people believe this shit... |
02-22-2018 01:35 PM
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I think what Boost might be saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that Trump could just be running good. |
02-22-2018 01:37 PM
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Could be relevant. |
02-22-2018 01:42 PM
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How does "running good" work? How that that analogy from poker work in the real word of business? | |
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02-22-2018 01:50 PM
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I probably agree. Lifetime business success across many fields is probably dynamic enough that ain't nobody who makes it runs good. |
02-22-2018 01:54 PM
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Trump's success implies his intelligence, it doesn't prove his intelligence. | |
02-22-2018 02:02 PM
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I realise it's not as obvious as poker, and I understand that poker is actually a pretty good metaphor for business in some aspects. But luck in poker is governed purely by probability, and we can calculate that. In business, where's the luck? Being given a million by Daddy? That's just like a poker player learning how to play at the macros instead of micros. You still better start winning soon. | |
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02-22-2018 02:17 PM
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Everything else in your post was good, except this. Even this, is not luck. He still had to select a company to invest in, and a time to invest. |
02-22-2018 02:25 PM
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For sure, but maybe he picked the compnay for no good reason other than he liked the name, like picking a horse. Making a single decison that can make or lose you a fortune is not "skill", not unless you accurately estimate your returns and risks and compare them to other options, at least. | |
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02-22-2018 02:27 PM
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I mean, if you gotta play this semantic nerd-game where "there is no such thing as null" go ahead. You're coming to the right conclusion, which is more than can be said for other people in this thread. |
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02-22-2018 02:28 PM
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More importantly, if you have one decision in a business, ie to invest or not to invest, it's easy to "run good". | |
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02-22-2018 03:03 PM
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Right. It's our insistence that words have meanings, the most popular of which are collected in dictionaries, which is the fault, here. | |
02-22-2018 03:24 PM
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Says the guy who eschews the dictionary definition of "intelligence" so he can slice and dice it however is necessary in order for his ramblings to make sense. |
02-22-2018 03:24 PM
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None of this actually addresses the question of whether he's fit to be president. He might have an IQ of 200 but if all he does is watch Fox News, tweet, and eat cheeseburgers he's prolly not right for the job. | |