Although that's very typical left wing crap to start banging on about "privilege" like we should feel guilty for being born white males.
03-09-2018 12:44 PM
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Although that's very typical left wing crap to start banging on about "privilege" like we should feel guilty for being born white males. | |
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03-09-2018 12:45 PM
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Also banana playing the victim card by moaning about how men are victims... that's also left wing babbling. Sort of. It should be, except the left aren't interested in men being victims because they're so busy villifying them. | |
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03-09-2018 12:48 PM
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Nah, I neither identify as left-wing nor think anyone should feel guilty for anything apart from their actions. | |
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03-09-2018 12:50 PM
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03-09-2018 12:50 PM
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Only if men leave themselves out of the movement. | |
03-09-2018 12:52 PM
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03-09-2018 12:52 PM
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I've had my arse pinched by a random stranger before. | |
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03-09-2018 12:53 PM
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03-09-2018 12:53 PM
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03-09-2018 12:54 PM
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IDK what cocco's intent was, but stating a clear fact like, "There has been a centuries long history of racism and sexism codified into law which has benefited whites and males above others, and while we seem to be moving past them, there are still echoes of these policies." is not a moral statement of whether or not that's right or anyone should feel guilty about it. | |
03-09-2018 12:56 PM
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That's precisely victim-talk though. So when YOU claim you're being discriminated against based on your gender and/or race, how it is any different from someone else with different gender and/or race making the same complaint? Why is it they're doing something reprehensible by playing the victim card and you're not? | |
03-09-2018 12:56 PM
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Just leave this one well alone. One minute you're saying "nor think anyone should feel guilty for anything apart from their actions" then you're asking me if I'm priviledged compared to black people and women. What's the point of asking that if it's not to make me reflect on how privileged I am (ie feel guilty)? | |
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03-09-2018 12:57 PM
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03-09-2018 12:59 PM
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03-09-2018 12:59 PM
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Making an observation is not playing the victim card. I'm not complaining about how I'm disadvantaged as a man. | |
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03-09-2018 12:59 PM
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03-09-2018 12:59 PM
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03-09-2018 01:00 PM
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03-09-2018 01:01 PM
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No, I already know your gender I don't need to assume. Unless it changed or I've completely misunderstood you. | |
03-09-2018 01:03 PM
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03-09-2018 01:03 PM
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03-09-2018 01:03 PM
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03-09-2018 01:04 PM
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03-09-2018 01:06 PM
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03-09-2018 01:09 PM
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It's difficult to argue I'm privileged. I grew up in several foster homes and two children's homes. I left school with one GCSE, despite being exceptionally bright. I've spent my adult life drifitng in and out of failed jobs and failed relationships. Who gave me chances just because I'm a white male? | |
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03-09-2018 01:10 PM
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03-09-2018 01:10 PM
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03-09-2018 01:11 PM
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03-09-2018 01:14 PM
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Well first, the whole 'white privelege' concept is not predicated on the extent to which it applies to one guy in middle England; it's much more general than that. | |
03-09-2018 01:15 PM
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03-09-2018 01:16 PM
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03-09-2018 01:17 PM
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03-09-2018 01:19 PM
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Only you are complaining, whether you admit it or not. You're saying you're being discriminated against by being lumped into a group of 'white priveleged males' to which you feel you haven't benefited from. | |
03-09-2018 01:21 PM
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03-09-2018 01:22 PM
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03-09-2018 01:24 PM
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03-09-2018 01:27 PM
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I'm not actually sure what you're getting at here. You might have a point that I have many times mistaken "observations" for "complaints", I can be feisty and get stuck into debates without really getting context right, but you won't hear me complaining about much, you just might mistake my observations for complaints. | |
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03-09-2018 01:28 PM
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See, it's interesting that you read this differently than I because we're both quite literate. | |
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03-09-2018 01:30 PM
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Well the use of "they" implies that it doesn't include him. That's basic psychology, if he felt part of the group that needed to take greater responsibility, he'd say "we". | |
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03-09-2018 01:33 PM
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I guess I'm just a bit confused about what the whole 'victim' label means. If it means the person claims to be personally disadvantaged for some reason or other, why cannot that also simply be an observation? Or is it the fact that they demand some kind of justice or retribution that makes them a 'victim'? Or is the label solely meant for people who over-react to whatever thing that they feel is unfair? | |
03-09-2018 01:36 PM
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03-09-2018 01:38 PM
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I guess my point with the victim label is everyone can be a victim if we want to be. If I were so inclined, I could spend my life claiming to be a victim, using my "disadvantage" to gain sympathy. I don't. I might sometimes bring it up in conversation, but only if I feel it's relevant. | |
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03-09-2018 01:40 PM
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03-09-2018 01:42 PM
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03-09-2018 01:43 PM
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03-09-2018 01:46 PM
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03-09-2018 01:47 PM
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03-09-2018 01:49 PM
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03-09-2018 01:50 PM
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03-09-2018 01:55 PM
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Many of the women in those situations are claiming "I was a consenting adult, I willingly participated, and I was a victim". That is wrong. It is unsound. |
03-09-2018 02:08 PM
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To be clear, I don't think domestic violence has any place in this discussion any more than divorce does. The answer to both of these are simple... pick better partners. It's a different game altogether. | |
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03-09-2018 02:17 PM
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Right, and none of those men would later refer to that event when they answer a survey asking if they've ever been a victim of domestic violence. |
03-09-2018 02:44 PM
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I see the double standard and I'm not disputing it. | |
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03-09-2018 02:48 PM
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When you refer to one gender "being a cunt" are you speaking generally, or are you specifically referring to that gender's behavior toward another gender? |
03-09-2018 03:12 PM
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03-09-2018 03:39 PM
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So in that situation, who is the bigger cunt? |
03-09-2018 03:44 PM
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03-09-2018 03:47 PM
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03-09-2018 03:56 PM
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It really does depend how we define "sexual misconduct". | |
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03-09-2018 05:02 PM
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Sheeesh, here we go again where definitions are nebulous things that we can mold into whatever fits our argument. |
03-09-2018 06:15 PM
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You'd get better agreement from spoon on this one. Shame he disappeared again. | |
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03-09-2018 06:35 PM
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I definitely didn't mean that only germans should learn from past mistakes, and obviously I include myself in there. | |
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03-09-2018 07:01 PM
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That would be boring |
03-09-2018 07:13 PM
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03-09-2018 07:57 PM
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03-09-2018 07:59 PM
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03-09-2018 08:03 PM
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03-09-2018 10:28 PM
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Privilege as a concept of something systemic is among the laziest concepts I know of. And it's racist and sexist. |
03-10-2018 03:42 AM
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Fine. If I frame it as other races/sexes being handicapped compared to white males, is that better? Maybe I just huwt ur feelins talking about privilege, and that would make the facts more palatable. | |
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03-10-2018 04:19 AM
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So... let's play semantics again... | |
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03-10-2018 04:58 AM
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03-10-2018 05:13 AM
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White males in general, in the UK or USA. Let's do this. | |
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03-10-2018 06:21 AM
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I got bored of waiting for your list, so here's Al-jazeera's... | |
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03-10-2018 08:29 AM
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Here's a question for you Yanks... | |
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03-10-2018 08:47 AM
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