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[a500lbgorilla]

They are exactly the same because the hole in the ground does not offer better odds to the next driller. If it offered better odds the hole would be more valuable the deeper it gets, which is not the case.

Well then the oil driller and the theoretical physicist aren't analogous. Because all of the latter's work did offer better odds for 'striking oil'.

[Lyric]

Well then the oil driller and the theoretical physicist aren't analogous. Because all of the latter's work did offer better odds for 'striking oil'.

Bullshit. Theorems can end as dead as an empty hole and are worthless until they work.

[a500lbgorilla]

Bullshit. Theorems can end as dead as an empty hole and are worthless until they work.

I'd tell you why it's not bullshit, but again it's my wheel house and even if I were, somehow, systematically wrong, you likely wouldn't be able to find it. {edit I put the reasons in and then removed them. It's not important}

I'm of the conclusion that money and wealth can be variably proportional and always intertwined, which leads to the difficult point that I need to learn things that I'm just not going to be learning any time soon.

To reconcile the chaotic but direct relationship between money and wealth would require knowledge of a lot, which is why I like thinking that they're two individual values, related only by some baser assumption that money is wealth. But I only like it for the clarity it brings, I don't think it's anything I can build from.

This thread has helped me appreciate some things that I wouldn't have before and right now I'm thinking an awesome form of gov't would be - regulatory only in making sure that consumers are fully informed and that businesses which generate wealth do not secretly shirk certain debts like pollution. "If I were a carrot farmer, I should also have to pay for the minerals I use on my farm, likely through purchasing them from soil producers which sounds obvious. But if I use a secret irrigation system tapping my neighbor's waterway, I should be discovered and held accountable for what I've taken from him."

That if you have a problem like Net Neutrality, you don't go to the central power and say "hey, guys, please make this a new rule for the game." And instead see to it that consumers know what they're buying and that any entrepreneur be made aware that consumers are demanding a net neutral provider. As demand goes, so should industry.

How this intersects with reality is still to be seen, but as far as idealisms go, I think it's a pretty good build.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I'm of the conclusion that money and wealth can be variably proportional and always intertwined, which leads to the difficult point that I need to learn things that I'm just not going to be learning any time soon.

To reconcile the chaotic but direct relationship between money and wealth would require knowledge of a lot, which is why I like thinking that they're two individual values, related only by some baser assumption that money is wealth. But I only like it for the clarity it brings, I don't think it's anything I can build from.

I still don't really get what you are saying so let me see if what I think you are saying is right. Are you saying wealth has many different forms, happiness can be wealth, gold can be wealth, health can be wealth, but money is just one type of wealth? It's basically the sum what you have and can do that other people value.

Is this what you're saying?

This thread has helped me appreciate some things that I wouldn't have before and right now I'm thinking an awesome form of gov't would be - regulatory only in making sure that consumers are fully informed and that businesses which generate wealth do not secretly shirk certain debts like pollution. "If I were a carrot farmer, I should also have to pay for the minerals I use on my farm, likely through purchasing them from soil producers which sounds obvious. But if I use a secret irrigation system tapping my neighbor's waterway, I should be discovered and held accountable for what I've taken from him."

That if you have a problem like Net Neutrality, you don't go to the central power and say "hey, guys, please make this a new rule for the game." And instead see to it that consumers know what they're buying and that any entrepreneur be made aware that consumers are demanding a net neutral provider. As demand goes, so should industry.

How this intersects with reality is still to be seen, but as far as idealisms go, I think it's a pretty good build.

I 100% agree with this! )

[a500lbgorilla]

I still don't really get what you are saying so let me see if what I think you are saying is right. Are you saying wealth has many different forms, happiness can be wealth, gold can be wealth, health can be wealth, but money is just one type of wealth? It's basically the sum what you have and can do that other people value.

Is this what you're saying?

Wealth for me is the judged value on the organization of resources. It seems like I can see that everywhere; and if there are some things that money can't buy - it just makes a lot of sense that money and wealth are disconnected (save for some ingrained but ignorable belief that money is wealth). It also allows for me to ignore a lot of obvious difficulties that I have with the relationship between wealth (true value) and money (traded value) "If a meal in Ecuador is $3 dollars and that same meal in NYC is $45, what gives! The meals are of the same wealth."

But as I was randomly thinking about this through-out the day, I recalled all sorts of graphs that I've encountered where two usefully coupled values are easier to consider disconnected (Lift vrs angle of attack, Drag vrs angle of attack, Lift/Drag for body geometry), it would be much more comfortable to consider Lift as one thing, and Drag as another, but any physical body you construct will expose a relationship between the two (L/D).

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Which is why I figure I have something more I need to learn before I understand exactly what's going on with the variable relationship of Money and Wealth. And I don't see how I'm going to learn all that any time in the future.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd tell you why it's not bullshit, but again it's my wheel house and even if I were, somehow, systematically wrong, you likely wouldn't be able to find it. {edit I put the reasons in and then removed them. It's not important}

I'm of the conclusion that money and wealth can be variably proportional and always intertwined, which leads to the difficult point that I need to learn things that I'm just not going to be learning any time soon.

To reconcile the chaotic but direct relationship between money and wealth would require knowledge of a lot, which is why I like thinking that they're two individual values, related only by some baser assumption that money is wealth. But I only like it for the clarity it brings, I don't think it's anything I can build from.

This thread has helped me appreciate some things that I wouldn't have before and right now I'm thinking an awesome form of gov't would be - regulatory only in making sure that consumers are fully informed and that businesses which generate wealth do not secretly shirk certain debts like pollution. "If I were a carrot farmer, I should also have to pay for the minerals I use on my farm, likely through purchasing them from soil producers which sounds obvious. But if I use a secret irrigation system tapping my neighbor's waterway, I should be discovered and held accountable for what I've taken from him."

That if you have a problem like Net Neutrality, you don't go to the central power and say "hey, guys, please make this a new rule for the game." And instead see to it that consumers know what they're buying and that any entrepreneur be made aware that consumers are demanding a net neutral provider. As demand goes, so should industry.

How this intersects with reality is still to be seen, but as far as idealisms go, I think it's a pretty good build.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you just said.