03-29-2020 12:45 PM
#76
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03-29-2020 12:47 PM
#77
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I'm hardcore in favor of immigration. I hold the Teddy Roosevelt view: bring in people who want to be American. |
03-30-2020 10:13 PM
#78
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Maybe Trump being so whiny is the reason he can't fully defeat the whiny losers of the media. |
03-30-2020 10:27 PM
#79
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Did you see the clip where a reporter threw him a soft ball and cried foul like a pro soccer player hitting the dirt? | |
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03-30-2020 10:38 PM
#80
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I didn't. Got a clip? |
03-30-2020 11:01 PM
#81
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If I spent time listening to Trump speak, I'd probably not like him much. |
03-31-2020 12:25 AM
#82
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The news, to a degree, reflects what viewers want to believe. |
03-31-2020 10:15 AM
#83
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03-31-2020 10:17 AM
#84
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03-31-2020 10:20 AM
#85
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03-31-2020 12:58 PM
#86
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03-31-2020 12:59 PM
#87
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03-31-2020 01:01 PM
#88
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03-31-2020 01:22 PM
#89
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What are you playing at? The reporter was just saying, "during this time of epic crisis, what would you like to say to the American people?" | |
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03-31-2020 01:25 PM
#90
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03-31-2020 01:28 PM
#91
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03-31-2020 01:28 PM
#92
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03-31-2020 01:36 PM
#93
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03-31-2020 01:50 PM
#94
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03-31-2020 01:54 PM
#95
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Don't be lazy, man. | |
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03-31-2020 01:56 PM
#96
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We're in the middle of an epic crisis, and he was setting the stage for the President to slam dunk a message of hope, in the exact way that Pence did. OK, it wasn't poetry, but it was at least diplomatic. | |
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03-31-2020 01:58 PM
#97
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03-31-2020 02:03 PM
#98
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03-31-2020 02:05 PM
#99
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Because not having equal rights and protections under the law due to a choice made between consenting adults is persecution. | |
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03-31-2020 02:07 PM
#100
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Wuf wants the ghey. | |
03-31-2020 02:13 PM
#101
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It's been "recently" - in the past week - that he said he's withholding aid to certain governors for "not being nice" to him. | |
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03-31-2020 02:38 PM
#102
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03-31-2020 02:54 PM
#103
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Read the link I posted earlier, man. Or search the web for something else. | |
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03-31-2020 03:03 PM
#104
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I've gone through the link and have trouble finding much that isn't forcing some people to do a thing against their consent. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 03-31-2020 at 03:18 PM. | |
04-01-2020 11:53 AM
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I'm wholly in favor of legalizing more interactions between consenting adults, where these interactions don't harm anyone else. I'd probably prioritize these in my criteria for a presidential candidate currently below the top dozen-ish. | |
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04-01-2020 08:44 PM
#106
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Yes I did! |
04-01-2020 09:04 PM
#107
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Some will see this virus and the responses as clear signs of massive government failure. Others will see them as government successes. |
04-02-2020 01:25 AM
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Ah yes, I forgot that corporations are legally considered consenting adults over there. | |
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04-02-2020 08:48 AM
#109
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04-02-2020 01:00 PM
#110
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04-02-2020 01:03 PM
#111
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04-02-2020 01:19 PM
#112
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Yeah I think we're talking about different things, but the wording you used seemed to suggest, apparently both to me and MMM, something else than you meant. I figured you were talking about, essentially, that everyone should be able to do what they they, be "they" a private citizen, a business-owner or a multinational corporation. | |
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04-02-2020 01:36 PM
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04-02-2020 01:55 PM
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I'm a big fan of this. The government can't have different policies for different people. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-02-2020 at 02:24 PM. | |
04-02-2020 01:56 PM
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04-02-2020 02:11 PM
#116
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04-02-2020 02:13 PM
#117
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Pick one. Let's understand it. |
04-02-2020 03:36 PM
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I really don't care about Bernie's policies. I don't understand how offering equal rights to consenting adults is in any way contrary to your ask. If that's not what you meant, then fine. It's just hard to imagine anyone in common parlance would interpret your statement as meaning, "Legalize prescription psychedelics so doctors can do what they think is best without unnecessary restrictions." | |
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04-02-2020 03:39 PM
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I mean, if it was Sanders v Biden, I'd take Sanders all day, with any VP, even if doctors and psychics agreed that Bernie would not serve more than 2 years. | |
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04-02-2020 03:43 PM
#120
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04-02-2020 03:51 PM
#121
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So... bigoted people who don't consent to granting equal rights is enough reason to not grant equal rights to consenting adults to touch each other's sexy bits? | |
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04-02-2020 03:55 PM
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To me it sounds like you're for legalizing certain things that are currently illegal/restricted, and reducing government oversight. These aren't a surprise, I figured you'd support those. I was just thrown off by the framing of "legalizing consent", never seen those terms used in this context. | |
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04-02-2020 03:58 PM
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I was gonna ask if the gay wedding cake-gate is what's the underlying issue here. | |
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04-02-2020 04:12 PM
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04-02-2020 04:13 PM
#125
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04-02-2020 04:50 PM
#126
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04-02-2020 07:12 PM
#127
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04-02-2020 07:23 PM
#128
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Are there people who bastardize the concept of consent so much that they think that not wanting others to do something that doesn't remotely involve them means they have any relevant consent to give (or withhold)? |
04-02-2020 07:39 PM
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You mean like immigration, abortion, drug use or gay marriage? | |
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04-02-2020 07:45 PM
#130
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I've never personally seen somebody argue for or against one of those things because they don't consent to others doing them. |
04-02-2020 07:51 PM
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The concept of consent is meaningful here: |
04-02-2020 09:33 PM
#132
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And yet it was wuf who said Bernie's policies concerning equal rights for political minorities (LGBTQRS+) are somehow forcing nonconsenting adults into something. | |
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04-02-2020 09:56 PM
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I've asked for one specific policy so we could discuss this on YOUR terms. Instead of me picking any of the many that reduce legality of consent, I truly want to see what you think is one that increases legality of consent. |
04-03-2020 01:34 AM
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My initial thoughts were wouldn't it be nice to live in a world without religious zealots and narrow-minded pricks. We don't though, so shit like this happens. Like I said, I'm absolutely for equal treatment under law for everyone, and absolutely against prejudice and bigotry. The gay couple's rights are being infringed, but not very severely. There are likely other places that serve them, and as material loss the worst is maybe missing deadlines. The emotional damage shouldn't be overlooked though, being discriminated is not fun. The bigot cake-bakers rights would also be infringed, if he were to be forced to serve them. If he were providing a public service, he should absolutely be forced to serve them, but being a private small business it's a bit more debatable. It also depends on the service, and the outcome for the encroached. Being denied a wedding cake is inconvenient, not life-threatening. Being denied a cab service at night 20 miles from the nearest building could be close to life-threatening, but that would (or should) probably fall under criminal negligence. I think in this case, overall, the infractions against the gay couple are probably a bit more severe than forcing the baker to serve them would be. However. | |
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04-03-2020 08:01 AM
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I believe everybody should be free to do anything as long as it doesn't impede the freedom or safety of others. I also firmly believe in: Don't be a fucking baby... so if someone feels like their freedom is being curtailed by selling a cake, then they should just stop being such a baby. | |
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04-03-2020 09:50 AM
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Which would make sense if I was a Bernie supporter and not someone who posted a meme for giggles. | |
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04-03-2020 09:50 AM
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I'm willing to give cake guy the benefit of the doubt and say his religion forbids him selling cake to a gay wedding. It's not a life-or-death decision like coco said. I also don't think it's even worth a mention on the back page of any newspaper and it's annoying that some libs have chosen this as an excuse to get outraged; it's not. It's stupid, but it's not malicious. Cake guy is just a religious goof. Buy your gay cake somewhere else and get on with your life. | |
04-03-2020 09:57 AM
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I'm pretty sick of the argument that religions support bigotry, so people have a right to be bigots, if they just say God told them to be jerks. | |
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04-03-2020 10:03 AM
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His religion tells him gay=bad. So it conflicts with others' beliefs. That doesn't mean he isn't sincere in his belief, does it? | |
04-03-2020 10:04 AM
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I'm not saying cake guy doesn't have a legal right to be a jerk. | |
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04-03-2020 10:09 AM
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I'm not going to try to read cake guy's mind, but I suspect he thinks he's being 'righteous' (however that applies) more than anything. | |
04-03-2020 10:47 AM
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I don't doubt that he's the hero in his telling of his story. | |
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04-03-2020 10:51 AM
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I think his interpretation of his actions is more important than yours or mine, for example. If he's doing it to be a jerk, then he's in the wrong. If he's doing it to worship his Jebus, then he's got at least some moral leg to stand on. It might be different from the moral leg I would use (let them eat gay cake) but it's defensible. | |
04-03-2020 11:20 AM
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I think the objective reality is more important than any interpretation. | |
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04-03-2020 11:46 AM
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I tend to agree, except that it's a bit more specific than that, as in 'no gay weddings served'. If he were asking all his customers their sexual orientation and refusing to serve anyone who answered LGBTQXYZ and/or K (I'm just making these up), it'd be more of an issue. The only reason it became an issue is because they asked for a gay cake, which presumably is not a common thing. | |
04-03-2020 01:09 PM
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IDK what a "gay cake" is. The entire idea of confection is kinda gay, IMO. | |
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04-03-2020 01:31 PM
#147
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Yeah well, not a hill I'm gonna die on. | |
04-03-2020 01:47 PM
#148
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Nice. | |
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04-03-2020 10:20 PM
#149
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Your views mirror mine so much. |
04-03-2020 10:23 PM
#150
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