Side effect of banning of poker(is obviously FTR turning on each other)

[BooG690]

The old man's a tough guy.

OngBonga has incited violence. Can we ban him now?

[Luco]

Hi I'm Luco

[eugmac]

it's the thread that keeps giving!

[baudib]

And real racism has everything to do with hate.

Not really. Sure, there are people who really hate, but for the most part they get stuck on the wrong side of the broad curve of history.

Racism is simply about considering yourself/your group to be superior, thus free to engage in various antisocial behavior, such as referring to the local brown person as a "Paki" whether or not he's from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh or Mexico.

Slave owners frequently bred with slaves; plantation owners in the South often had slave nannies raise their children. This doesn't imply hatred, but rather, a classist/racist mindset that made them think of black people as inferior beings who could be viewed as commodities.

[rong]

Boog racist for claiming to be Persian and Iranian. Surely that's some form of intolerance

[BooG690]

Boog racist for claiming to be Persian and Iranian. Surely that's some form of intolerance

I'm Persian and Mexican, asshole.

[celtic123]

I'm Persian and Mexican, asshole.

in uk we say arsehole

[BooG690]

OngBonga's not racist. He hates white people.

[OngBonga]

Boog, you might be a dick, but at least you're funny.

[Luco]

Since when did the majority need representation?

[OngBonga]

Since when did the majority need representation?

Since the minorities started to get preferencial treatment. Majorities can be discriminated against too.

Everyone's interests should be represented officially, not just minorities. This is the problem with racism, no-one bats an eye when the majority face discrimination, and anyone who dares stand up for the rights of the majority faces being branded racist.

We live in a fucked up world where we create probelms instead of dealing with them.

[jjbish]

Had to be in this epic train wreck.

Not that being a train is bad, or a wreck. ( dont want to offend trainians or wreckafarians)

[BooG690]

And by creating equality, we lose equality.

I'm just gonna troll the shit out of this dumb ass thread.

[WillburForce]

Your example of the black police union -

After the Steven Lawrence report, the police force was found to be institutionaly racist.

This had wide ranging implications, from cases not being dealt with correctly due to the race of the victms, through to minority officers not getting jobs and all sorts of shit in between.

As a black officer, who would you turn if you had a complaint?

[OngBonga]

Your example of the black police union -

After the Steven Lawrence report, the police force was found to be institutionaly racist.

This had wide ranging implications, from cases not being dealt with correctly due to the race of the victms, through to minority officers not getting jobs and all sorts of shit in between.

As a black officer, who would you turn if you had a complaint?

Whoever represents those who claim discrimination. Such an organisation should be open to all who feel discriminated against.

[Luco]

you need to lay off the weed

[OngBonga]

you need to lay off the weed

That's the most pointless post in this thread, including all of BooG's. Weed has nothing to do with it. Is this you trying to cleverly discriminate against a weed smoker? Or are you just too stupid to realise that's what you've just done?

[Luco]

Neither. I'm just saying you're fundamentally wrong for some reason.

However I'm thoroughly enjoying all the troll-lol-lol-ing itt

[OngBonga]

Neither. I'm just saying you're fundamentally wrong for some reason.

However I'm thoroughly enjoying all the troll-lol-lol-ing itt

Everyone's a troll on the internet. But keep posting please, I don't care what you have to say, I just want to see your avatar as much as possible.

[BennyLaRue]

That's just a for instance. I know you have no woman that would go near you, so don't get all pointing out my mistakes and stuff.

[OngBonga]

That's just a for instance. I know you have no woman that would go near you, so don't get all pointing out my mistakes and stuff.

Come on Benny, you're funnier than that. That's a pretty cheap shot. And besides, I've had a fat girlfriend in the past, and couldn't give a crap if people called her fat. She was. Who cares? I didn't. She gave great head.

[BennyLaRue]

Come on Benny, you're funnier than that. That's a pretty cheap shot.

I guess it fits right in with this thread then. Cheap, ignorant thoughts everywhere.

[BennyLaRue]

Waiting for an over-sensitive reaction...

[BooG690]

YouTube - My President iz Black--Young Jeezy feat. Nas{Brand New}

Why they gotta go and make songs about black people? That's racist.

[Luco]

Apparently fat chicks give the best head because they're hungry

I've never dated a fat chick but I'm def. curious about it

[d0zer]

fat chicks give better head because they have to.

[jyms]

fat chicks give better head because they have to.

This wins. Still have a hard time getting head from a fat chick because I know that something else will be expected. No goddamn way am I returning the favour, nor fucking some fatty just because she needs to suck a dick.

[Duffryn]

fat chicks give better head because they have to.

Gay guys give the best head because they know what works.

[Galapogos]

Gay guys give the best head because they know what works.

Pretty sure this thread isn't the safest place for you to be outting yourself.

[eugmac]

This thread has really educational, thank you everybody for the educational thread. I hope it can keep up being such a useful contribution to our community. <3

[Luco]

Can we have some 'that's racist' goodness now?

[a500lbgorilla]

[Luco]

[surviva316]

OngBonga, why do you wanna be part of this Black Police Association thing so bad? it's not all spin the bottle and truth and dare; it's mostly treasury meetings and paperwork . . . they might serve coffee but that's about it

[OngBonga]

OngBonga, why do you wanna be part of this Black Police Association thing so bad? it's not all spin the bottle and truth and dare; it's mostly treasury meetings and paperwork . . . they might serve coffee but that's about it

You're missing the point. I don't want to be in their club.

Recently, the British National Party (facist political party) lost a court case in which they were ordered to admit black people who wish to join, since not allowing them to join is against the law. Of course, no black person wants to join them, but that didn't stop the courts saying they weren't allowed to refuse anyone entry based on skin colour.

It doesn't matter if I want to be in their club or not, it's about discimination. I don't want to see anyone, white or black, discriminated against by an institution that is supposed to strive for equality.

If it is illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a black person based purely on colour, then it too should be illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a white person just for being white. That would make the NPBA an illegal organisation, unless they change their policy.

[BennyLaRue]

If it is illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a black person based purely on colour, then it too should be illegal for an organisation to refuse entry to a white person just for being white.

It is. Do you know of a white person who wanted to join the Black Police Association and was denied?

[OngBonga]

It is. Do you know of a white person who wanted to join the Black Police Association and was denied?

Not personally.

However, the organisation has come in for critisism from MPs.

Wiki page
Ali Dizaei the former National President of National Black Police Association was jailed for perverting the course of justice in February 2010. Anjana Ahuja a British Asian reporter for The Times criticised the organisation for its vocal defence of Dizaei and called for its disbandment, calling it "pointless and possibly harmful", asking, "why partition members of the same profession along the lines of skin colour?[3]. Whereas Minette Marrin called the NBPA "racism in action" saying "if anything is institutionally racist, in the strict sense of the term, it is the existence of the NBPA itself: it is a separatist union for officers who call themselves black."[4] Conservative MP David Davies criticised the organisation, while speaking as a guest at a NBPA meeting, for not allowing white people to become full members, saying: "To me it is a shame that full membership of the BPA is open only to those of black, Asian or Middle Eastern origin."[5][6][7].

Their policy must change if they are to be taken seriously.

[surviva316]

on a more serious note, though, i assumed that they do, or at least can, have women police associations and disabled police associations and so forth. if they tried to form something like this and it was rejected because it included white people, then you'd have a point.

if they reject your proposed "White People Who Just Wanna Complain About How Joe Called Me a Poopyhead the Other Day Association," then i wouldn't really see this as discrimination. i'm guessing you would . . . agree to disagree?!

[OngBonga]

on a more serious note, though, i assumed that they do, or at least can, have women police associations and disabled police associations and so forth. if they tried to form something like this and it was rejected because it included white people, then you'd have a point.

if they reject your proposed "White People Who Just Wanna Complain About How Joe Called Me a Poopyhead the Other Day Association," then i wouldn't really see this as discrimination. i'm guessing you would . . . agree to disagree?!

Why can't they just have one organisation to deal with equality as a whole?

And I'm not talking about white people blah blah poopy head, or whatever you're on about. I don;'t really want to see a white police association, that too would be racist. I want to see one body to deal with all forms of prejudice. That's isn't too much to ask, is it? At the very least I expect government agencies to treat whites and blacks as equals, then maybe the rest of society will begin to follow suit.

[OngBonga]

surviva...

I'm not sure about your claims. I think in this country, calling someone from Pakistan a Paki directly to their face would be a criminal offence. I don't know this for sure, but certainly racial hatred is indeed illegal. I guess the court would have to prove that your comments were based on hatred, or perhaps it's for the individual to prove it wasn't based on hatred. I don't know.

Calling someone fat I would say is normally worse than calling Chinese food a chinky. The difference is that usually when you call someone fat, it is intended as an insult. There's your context. It's not the word, it's the fact you're insulting someone.

Shall we just make it illegal to insult people in any way?

[surviva316]

Calling someone fat I would say is normally worse than calling Chinese food a chinky. The difference is that usually when you call someone fat, it is intended as an insult. There's your context. It's not the word, it's the fact you're insulting someone.

if i called the store around the corner that had an obese woman working the cash register "the fatty," i assume that many girls would take offense to this.

[BennyLaRue]

It's clearly hypocrisy at best and illegal at worst if they don't allow someone membership based on their race, sure.

But that just makes them as bad as a racist with white skin. No one is denying that is racism as well. The point is that making an issue of race is wrong, you're not able to justify your actions and words by saying, "well, they're doing it too", which is what your argument amounts to.

[OngBonga]

It's clearly hypocrisy at best and illegal at worst if they don't allow someone membership based on their race, sure.

But that just makes them as bad as a racist with white skin. No one is denying that is racism as well. The point is that making an issue of race is wrong, you're not able to justify your actions and words by saying, "well, they're doing it too", which is what your argument amounts to.

I think you're misinterpreting my position. My "well they're doing it too" argument is not an excuse to do it myself, it's an attempt to make people see that there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to racism. I don't really care what they're doing or saying, so long as I have the same rights as them... I don't want more rights than anyone else, nor do I want any less. I want equality. Equality means we're all equal in the eyes of the law. That isn't the world I currently live in.

[BennyLaRue]

I think you're misinterpreting my position. My "well they're doing it too" argument is not an excuse to do it myself, it's an attempt to make people see that there is a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to racism.

Yeah, I know you're under the impression that no one understands racism but you.

You're like the English Paul Revere.

[Duffryn]

The Black Police Association's own website states:

"The NBPA is open to all in policing on application and there is no bar to membership based on colour".

I would have thought it was illegal to prevent people joining any group on the grounds of their race in the UK. Race can mean black people, but it means white people too. Most "minority groups" allow any sympathetic people to join them. Many white people were involved in the American Black Civil Rights Movement.

If it’s true that the BPA does not permit white people to have full membership, (and Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source), then it is stupid to exclude people who are sympathetic and helpful to their cause.

[eugmac]

OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

[BooG690]

Ethiopian restaurant

Oxymorons itt

[eugmac]

Oxymorons itt

actually ate some ethiopian food some weeks ago. was very unusual, never had anything like it. can't say i fell in love with it but it was tasty nonetheless.

[surviva316]

actually ate some ethiopian food some weeks ago. was very unusual, never had anything like it. can't say i fell in love with it but it was tasty nonetheless.

ethiopian food is the motherfucking bomb. a lot like Moroccan food.

[OngBonga]

OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

[surviva316]

I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

Tradition: just so long as it's been an acceptable action passed down through generations of white people, it's not racist.

[OngBonga]

Tradition: just so long as it's been an acceptable action passed down through generations of white people, it's not racist.

I would imagine that pretty much every race in the world has well established slurs for us, and in many instances, these words will be so common that they don't appear offensive to them. That's how chinky is seen in this country, at least in my experience. I'm actually yet to meet someone who has found the term genuinely offensive.

[supa]

I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

The use of the word nigger is part of the lingo in some parts of the U.S., has been for decades, and is no less offensive because of it.

[WillburForce]

I'd say not, but then if it were part of the lingo, and had been for decades, I might see it differently.

this has prob been said before and I know the thread has continued, but I had to say this.

Onbonga - it is really NOT part of the Brit lingo to say "going for a chinky" except amongst idiots who think being racist is funny.

It is just as racist as saying wog, nignog etc, which I'm sure you wouldn't say

I'm seriously amazed if your friends use the term chinky. You should seriously stop saying it.

[Jack Sawyer]

OngBonga,
Using your logic, would it be ok to refer to going to an Ethiopian restaurant as "going to the nigger"?

Oxymorons itt

YouTube - Bizarre Foods - Raw Meat in Ethiopia

LOL so evil Boog

BTW damn that episode

ethiopian food is the motherfucking bomb. a lot like Moroccan food.

hahaha you're crazy

[eugmac]

YouTube - Bizarre Foods - Raw Meat in Ethiopia

LOL so evil Boog

BTW damn that episode





hahaha you're crazy

Meh people all over the world eat raw stuff, be it fish or meat. Europeans with their steak tartare, Japanese sashimi (also horse sashimi), and so on. Don't see raw meat per se as being "bizarre". Although the way it's presented there, it's pretty damn brutal! I definitely had some resistance to eating with my hands in that way, but somehow it makes the whole eating experience a LOT more carnal, if you know what I mean. Like you're supposed to have a wild orgy after the meal.

[surviva316]

pretty sure i don't wanna get into the semantics of the R-word and how it's way overused and, thus, loses it's resonance with people 'cause that would just be way to long and epically boring for people who don't care about rhetoric as much as i do

[BooG690]

So kids at your school called you a retard? Do you actually have down syndrome? That would explain a lot actually.

Oh. And I can't wait for OngBonga to reveal that he is actually iopq and leveled us all.

[OngBonga]

So kids at your school called you a retard? Do you actually have down syndrome? That would explain a lot actually.

Oh. And I can't wait for OngBonga to reveal that he is actually iopq and leveled us all.

See above post.

[OngBonga]

Surviva, you're going off on a tangent now. You told me I didn't know what I meant to be discriminated against and called names, I told you that wasn't true, and now you tell me it doesn't matter anyway. After telling me it does matter.

Let's just make one thing clear... I'm autistic, which means calling me retarded is akin to calling a black man a nigger. Why should I consider that less offensive than racial slurs? I can't do anything about it, it's how I was born, so when someone calls me a retard, I don't care. It bothered me at school, because I just wanted to be friends with everyone, but now I don't give a crap at all. Maybe my experience at school made me less sensetive to other people's problems with name calling and discrimination, but then I had to deal with it, and did deal with it, so why can't everyone else?

[Luco]

Let's just make one thing clear... I'm autistic

This thread suddenly makes a lot more sense

[BooG690]

You should create an organization for autistic people...and then let people that don't have autism (or have any kind of relationship with anybody that has autism) into the organization.

[OngBonga]

You should create an organization for autistic people...and then let people that don't have autism (or have any kind of relationship with anybody that has autism) into the organization.

Well, if I did create such a club, I certainly wouldn't discriminate against anyone who wanted to join.

[bikes]

so ongbonga your claim is since you got over it thus everyone else should just get over it as well?

[OngBonga]

so ongbonga your claim is since you got over it thus everyone else should just get over it as well?

Yup, something like that. Words used to upset me, they don't anymore because I refuse to be bullied by words. If someone wants to bully me, they'll have to punch me. Sticks and stones blah blah.

[BooG690]

Well good then. Free game on calling you a retard.

[OngBonga]

Well good then. Free game on calling you a retard.

Fire away, you ethnic minority.

[baudib]

FYI, reading up on the controversies surrounding the NPBA is hilarious. It seems the NPBA came under criticism primarily for urging minorities not to join London's Metropolitan police force because of ...<drumroll> ... "racially hostile environment." Most of the Times' (Murdoch paper, if you didn't know) stuff is bashing the minority officers for publicly criticizing the Met force.

[boost]

Ong, I'm pretty sure that someone smarter than I could use game theory to show that on an equal playing field with X players where Y is a majority and Q, Z, and K are all minorities, Y will come to dominate Q, Z, and K. Even if the bonds between members of all subsets of X are not particularly strong, collusion is sure to take place, and the majority will have an easier time successfully colluding.

I'd also like to point out that it is possible for all members of Y to reasonably claim that they are in no way racist. Yet their preferential actions as a whole create a racially imbalanced society.

Affirmative action, professional groups which cater to minorities, etc are all measures that seek to correct this naturally occurring imbalance. Are the the best solutions? I'm not sure.. there are probably better ones... but claiming that they are themselves the problem is just wrong.

Your argument is pretty much exactly the same as the libertarian claim, "Regulation just gets in the way of business and messes everything up!" The sad truth is that capitalism has no built in altruistic qualities.. take away regulation and we will see children in coal mines with a life expectancy around 25 years in no time. If we take away programs and organisations which set out to level the playing field, we will see the majority dominating and oppressing the minorities through collusion in no time.

[OngBonga]

Ong, I'm pretty sure that someone smarter than I could use game theory to show that on an equal playing field with X players where Y is a majority and Q, Z, and K are all minorities, Y will come to dominate Q, Z, and K. Even if the bonds between members of all subsets of X are not particularly strong, collusion is sure to take place, and the majority will have an easier time successfully colluding.

I'd also like to point out that it is possible for all members of Y to reasonably claim that they are in no way racist. Yet their preferential actions as a whole create a racially imbalanced society.

Affirmative action, professional groups which cater to minorities, etc are all measures that seek to correct this naturally occurring imbalance. Are the the best solutions? I'm not sure.. there are probably better ones... but claiming that they are themselves the problem is just wrong.

Your argument is pretty much exactly the same as the libertarian claim, "Regulation just gets in the way of business and messes everything up!" The sad truth is that capitalism has no built in altruistic qualities.. take away regulation and we will see children in coal mines with a life expectancy around 25 years in no time. If we take away programs and organisations which set out to level the playing field, we will see the majority dominating and oppressing the minorities through collusion in no time.

This is probably the strongest argument against my position I've read in this thread. All I can say in response is that I don't see these groups themselves as the problem, they are just part of the problem. They do not succeed in bringing equality to the table, despite their intentions, they just further reinforce intolerance because they are exclusive.

I guess what I'm looking for is a playing field where there are X players and there are no majorites, because Y and Z don't consider themselves any different. Y=Z. But I know this isn't the real world. However, I feel it's important to recognise that's it's natural for humans to stick to their kind, as a rule to thumb. A lot of the Asians who come to England remain in their circle, they live in areas together and work together, meaning Y does not = Z. But people must understand, if minorities are given an advantage to counter the numbers advantage the majority have, then we are nowhere near acheiving equality.

I don't know what other solutions there are, if I knew then I'd be very famous indeed. All I know is that the way things are, there will always be inequality, and there will always be conflicting arguments about what it means to be racist, and how we should conduct ourselves.

All I can do is try not to offend people. If I do offend someone, well, I'll say sorry and leave them alone. I'll say to my friends "Why are people so fucking sensetive?", but I won't say that to the person I've upset. Will I change my behaviour? Perhaps, but it will be because I decide I am in the wrong, not because other people tell me. I'll decide for myself what's right and wrong.

[d0zer]

I hate how sensitive people are these days. I can't even wack off in the park anymore without some prudish mother-type calling the cops on me.

If only everyone was as progressive as I, we all could wack off indiscriminately without fear of persecution.

[BooG690]

I hate how sensitive people are these days. I can't even wack off in the park anymore without some prudish mother-type calling the cops on me.

If only everyone was as progressive as I, we all could wack off indiscriminately without fear of persecution.

daven for mod

[bikes]

I hate how sensitive people are these days. I can't even wack off in the park anymore without some prudish mother-type calling the cops on me.

If only everyone was as progressive as I, we all could wack off indiscriminately without fear of persecution.

thx a lot bin laden

[OngBonga]

dozer, king of analogies.

Wanking in the park, comparable to saying a questionable word amongst friends. Genius.

Having said that, it would be nice to wank in the park without getting into trouble.

[Duffryn]

dozer, king of analogies.

Yes he is King of analogies. Everybody knows there are social norms and that whacking it in a park is highly offensive to some people, as is using the words: Wog, Gook, Paki or Nigger. If you use those words, then I will think you are a racist, just as I would think you were a pervert if you whipped it out in the park. It does not matter whether your best friend is a disabled black lesbian or you think everyone is equal. If you want to use words that are seen as racist, or defend others right to use them, you are a racist.

If a black person uses the word nigger, then we know that it is not being used as a racist term of abuse. We don't know that if a white person uses it. That is the difference. The anti PC brigade endlessly bleats about freedom and hypocrisy. I have never heard anyone defend the right of someone to shout: "The Virgin Mary is a cunt" in a Christian Church. Why? The Virgin Mary has been dead 2000 years. She's not going to care. It's just words. Or they don't point out the hypocrisy of TV Execs who swear like troopers but prevent swearing on Children's programmes. Fred Flintstone can't say: "Yabba dabba fucking dooooo", but his animator can. How hypocritical!

When it is not clear that a word is racist, then it’s simply a question of good manners. I don't see what's wrong with referring to people from Asia as Asians or indeed to referring to a Chinese takeaway meal as a Chinky, but if someone says they are offended by it, then you just apologise and don't use that word in front of people who don't like it.

What is socially acceptable is always changing, but it's not a problem if you treat other people respectfully and as you would want to be treated. Seventy years ago, the censor wanted to cut the word "damn" from Gone with the Wind, but there was no problem in referring to black people as "inferiors" or "darkies". No longer worrying about words like damn, but being concerned about words like Paki shows to me that we are headed in the right direction.