Seal Clubbing

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Yes, there is at least one vitamin that has been demonstrated to be accessible to humans only by consuming animal flesh. Perhaps it is also accessible via intramuscular injection, but that shit is retarded

B12? No idea which you're referring to because it's tough to find a dietitian in this day and age that doesn't acknowledge that vegetarian diets are able to meet nutritional requirements without supplements, especially with eggs and dairy.

Vegan diets are tougher without supplements (oral, not non-intramuscular (lol)), but not impossible. Just impractical for people who don't have tons of time on their hands.

[wufwugy]

B12? No idea which you're referring to because it's tough to find a dietitian in this day and age that doesn't acknowledge that vegetarian diets are able to meet nutritional requirements without supplements, especially with eggs and dairy.

Vegan diets are tougher without supplements (oral, not non-intramuscular (lol)), but not impossible. Just impractical for people who don't have tons of time on their hands.

Yes, B12. The impossibility to absorb this vitamin if it doesn't come from an animal source is one of the reasons why many vegetarians aren't vegetarians. They somehow think that eating eggs or fish magically allows them still call themselves vegetarians. Yet if they don't consume those at the very least they will be weaker and stupider due to a lack of DHA, EPA, and B12

There are likely more nutrients that only animals can provide, and I believe it is unreasonable to think that a diet that doesn't adhere to the basics of evolution can be assumed to adequate

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They somehow think that eating eggs or fish magically allows them still call themselves vegetarians. Yet if they don't consume those at the very least they will be weaker and stupider due to a lack of DHA, EPA, and B12

The term "vegetarian" is maybe poorly defined, but is commonly accepted to be someone who at the very least doesn't consume meat (including fish for the most part), not someone who "only eats vegetables". Maybe it's a poor word choice, but you're just nitpicking semantics of an already ill-defined term to scream "vegetarians aren't allowed to eat eggs". True vegans are in the small minority of vegetarians, so to throw around the term "vegetarian" to mean "vegan" is misleading.

With eggs, a vegetarian diet isn't particularly difficult to keep up and in most cases is going to be much healthier than the average American diet. And as for evolution, we evolved a very flexible digestive system, capable of keeping us going on a myriad of different fuels.

[wufwugy]

The term "vegetarian" is maybe poorly defined, but is commonly accepted to be someone who at the very least doesn't consume meat (including fish for the most part), not someone who "only eats vegetables". Maybe it's a poor word choice, but you're just nitpicking semantics of an already ill-defined term to scream "vegetarians aren't allowed to eat eggs". True vegans are in the small minority of vegetarians, so to throw around the term "vegetarian" to mean "vegan" is misleading.

With eggs, a vegetarian diet isn't particularly difficult to keep up and in most cases is going to be much healthier than the average American diet. And as for evolution, we evolved a very flexible digestive system, capable of keeping us going on a myriad of different fuels.

I wasn't referring to semantics of vegetarianism, but that it's usually selectivism because it doesn't work that well. And my point about evolution was that it's foolish to assume optimization while straying from evolution. We already know for a fact that a diet without some kinds of animal is inferior, and the logic is that because there is much we don't know about diets, we shouldn't assume that a less "natural" one will be somehow not worse

[d0zer]

I wasn't referring to semantics of vegetarianism, but that it's usually selectivism because it doesn't work that well. And my point about evolution was that it's foolish to assume optimization while straying from evolution. We already know for a fact that a diet without some kinds of animal is inferior, and the logic is that because there is much we don't know about diets, we shouldn't assume that a less "natural" one will be somehow not worse

I'm inclined to agree with you, in terms of diet optimization following what our diets would "naturally" be, but then in terms of meat, we need both much leaner meats, and in smaller quantity than we tend to consume in the west to revert back to a pre-agriculture diet.

It's funny when people use the argument that meat consumption is natural to justify 3 meals a day of fatty red meat.

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rilla's leveling in this thread has made me think, "not sure if srs" in regards to his posts in the gun debate thread.

I'm inclined to agree with you, in terms of diet optimization following what our diets would "naturally" be, but then in terms of meat, we need both much leaner meats, and in smaller quantity than we tend to consume in the west to revert back to a pre-agriculture diet.

It's funny when people use the argument that meat consumption is natural to justify 3 meals a day of fatty red meat.

I agree with this 110%


In other news: Benny just crushed this thread.