Randomness thread, part two.

[wufwugy]

she wants you to design a bot for her than can beat anybody whose posted in this thread

[will641]

ok so lately i've been talking to one of my ex gf's, and i wake up this morning to a text and voicemail from her. she won a trip to the bahamas, yay!

of course, party pooper that i am, alarm bells are immediately going off in my head. so she tells me she won it at a cavs game from the travel agent. being that she wants me to go with her, we're going to go meet the travel agent on thursday most likely.

what's the catch? (i seriously have no idea, but obviously it's something)

what kind of a catch could there possibly be? worse case scenario she does something stupid down there and you ditch her and meet some other hot chick vacationing right?

[wufwugy]

perhaps this hypothetical other hot chick he would meet would want him to create a bot that could beat anybody who posted in this thread?

[Lukie]

ok so lately i've been talking to one of my ex gf's, and i wake up this morning to a text and voicemail from her. she won a trip to the bahamas, yay!

of course, party pooper that i am, alarm bells are immediately going off in my head. so she tells me she won it at a cavs game from the travel agent. being that she wants me to go with her, we're going to go meet the travel agent on thursday most likely.

what's the catch? (i seriously have no idea, but obviously it's something)

what kind of a catch could there possibly be? worse case scenario she does something stupid down there and you ditch her and meet some other hot chick vacationing right?

i was trying to imply that there was no free vacation and it was obviously some sort of sales ploy, not that this girl is going to try to deceive me. excellent point though.

[Lukie]

perhaps this hypothetical other hot chick he would meet would want him to create a bot that could beat anybody who posted in this thread?

ha

[BennyLaRue]

i was trying to imply that there was no free vacation and it was obviously some sort of sales ploy, not that this girl is going to try to deceive me. excellent point though.

Depends. Did her seat get picked as the lucky winner out of an arena full of people or did she put her name in a draw. The latter is more likely a sales ploy than the former.

[Jack Sawyer]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2342637.ece

[swiggidy]

Speaking of hilarious Simpsons moments.

Can anyone make this into an FTR avatar for me?

howd you do that??

You mean how did I resize (and crop) the image?

There are a ton of ways, I use irfanview for multiple reasons.

[kfaess]

can you resize this one for me?

[swiggidy]

[swiggidy]

download irfanview, it's a small program and you don't need administrator privileges so you can install it at school/work or wherever you feel like

open image,
"Image" menu -> resize resample

type 180 in the width, if the height number is > 300, then change the height to 300

save

If you want to trim for a better fit, click+drag a region then
"edit" menu -> crop selection

[Galapogos]

Speaking of hilarious Simpsons moments.

Can anyone make this into an FTR avatar for me?

howd you do that??

You mean how did I resize (and crop) the image?

lol, kfaess' genuine wonder and amazement of your cropping skills made me chuckle.

[boost]

eric, you make some strong points. And seeing as Im not a computer science major or even a good poker player, I cant really continue this argument. However I do remember when Ive seen it discussed before that it wouldnt be all that hard to implement a bot in a game where nut camping will win. However the big hurdles come in a game where bluffing is necessary, which means pretty much every game nowadays. But again, this is just something I remember reading went his discussion has come up before, so take it for what it is..

[bikes]

100nl FR imo. The bot would go unnoticed because everyone there plays like a bot anyway.


Also.

Are we human? Or are we dancer?

[Parasurama]

can you resize this one for me?

Omg kfaess don't tell me you're a syracuse fan

[swiggidy]

Certain types of games clearly lend themselves to being botted better than others.

Using the number of combinations available on the flop doesn't tell the whole story. You have to consider past actions to get an idea of how the villain plays, which will start ratcheting up your feature space, thus your complexity. I doubt any measure gets to the 10^120 or whatever sick number of chess moves there are, but that's at least partially countered by the hidden information.

And "solving" HU 100bb deep still doesn't solve the game. Going to 200bb adds another layer of complexity again, although I'd guess somewhere around 1000bb would be close enough to "infinite".

Like boost I am also not a good player, but there seems to be a lot of intuition involved, which you can't capture.

I'm looking forward to Lukie's epic bump in 2036.

[boost]

Certain types of games clearly lend themselves to being botted better than others.

Using the number of combinations available on the flop doesn't tell the whole story. You have to consider past actions to get an idea of how the villain plays, which will start ratcheting up your feature space, thus your complexity. I doubt any measure gets to the 10^120 or whatever sick number of chess moves there are, but that's at least partially countered by the hidden information.

And "solving" HU 100bb deep still doesn't solve the game. Going to 200bb adds another layer of complexity again, although I'd guess somewhere around 1000bb would be close enough to "infinite".

Like boost I am also not a good player, but there seems to be a lot of intuition involved, which you can't capture.

I'm looking forward to Lukie's epic bump in 2036.

well, I think using "intuition" to explain how the best of the best make decisions is short changing them. But I think I agree with your point.. youre pretty much saying that a ton relies on gameflow, something that seems like it would be really difficult to have a bot "understand." Like, bet timing can be an important tell, but its rarely as simple as quick = bluff and long = the nuts.

[donkbee]

Are we human? Or are we dancer?

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[will641]

Are we human? Or are we dancer?

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

dont like the killers eh? i think theyre okay.

[yourfather]

sexbots

[Lukie]

Certain types of games clearly lend themselves to being botted better than others.

Using the number of combinations available on the flop doesn't tell the whole story. You have to consider past actions to get an idea of how the villain plays, which will start ratcheting up your feature space, thus your complexity. I doubt any measure gets to the 10^120 or whatever sick number of chess moves there are, but that's at least partially countered by the hidden information.

And "solving" HU 100bb deep still doesn't solve the game. Going to 200bb adds another layer of complexity again, although I'd guess somewhere around 1000bb would be close enough to "infinite".

Like boost I am also not a good player, but there seems to be a lot of intuition involved, which you can't capture.

I'm looking forward to Lukie's epic bump in 2036.

All good points. I still feel very strongly about what I wrote before and to be honest, I'd rather the discussion just die because it's not worth it to me. One, I don't want to give people ideas on how to start, and two I don't want to come off as pro-bottish (I'm not).

blah blah meow chow

[Lukie]

what would you consider the ideal height for a male to be for the purposes of meeting/picking up/sexing/dating women?

[will641]

6'2" maybe?

[givememyleg]

since this is the random thread i thought we could use some randomness:

It would take 11 Empire State Buildings, stacked one on top of the other, to measure the Gulf of Mexico at its deepest point.

The most money ever paid for a cow in an auction was $1.3 million.

1 in 5,000 north Atlantic lobsters are born bright blue.

Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell.

The plastic things on the end of shoelaces are called aglets.

There is a an island of plastic and trash floating in the Pacific ocean that is twice the size of Texas. (????wtf)

An iguana can stay under water for 28 minutes.

fuck igota go to bed

[boost]

ya, I agree the discussion has pretty much run its course unless someone in the know drops some knowledge. However if they knew, then they would be botting up the games and living like a king, not posting here.

[Galapogos]

I programmed Bankitdrew and I still post.

[bigspenda73]

trash island is crazy son

[will641]

bruno movie looks freaking hilarious

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/ob...rl_040609.html

[wufwugy]

6'2" maybe?

yea if i had to guess i would pick this

however, the ideal height involves being taller than the woman, taller than surrounding males, and having a physique that makes that height look full/not awkward

tidbit, US presidents have all been above average in height, and i wanna say that Bush has stood on boxes when overseas being the pulpit when next to tall leaders, but i could be wrong on that. people just like tall people more. and watch schindlers list and notice that liam neeson stands taller than everybody in the entire film; it was a pretty effective effect at making him seem more noble and such

[wufwugy]

bruno was best part of ali g show, and the movie gonna be even better

i read the account of him trying to seduce ron paul, pretty fucking epic

[swiggidy]

well, I think using "intuition" to explain how the best of the best make decisions is short changing them.

Or it's because I have no idea how they actually think, thus the only way to describe it

I would have said 6'1" for the height, but think 6'2" is more likely ideal if you're getting picky. 6'->6'4" are probably the same for 95% of girls.

[givememyleg]

i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. i need to learn kung fu to be the alpha male and damn that's tough work

[swiggidy]

i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. i need to learn kung fu to be the alpha male and damn that's tough work

Or just keep banging that hot chick you luckboxed into while cackling.

[donkbee]

dont like the killers eh? i think theyre okay.

all the songs that I've heard from their new album are AWFUL.

Hot Fuss was a really good album.

[boost]

bruno movie looks freaking hilarious

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/ob...rl_040609.html

wow... I cant wait!

[kfaess]

ty swigg,

lol, kfaess' genuine wonder and amazement of your cropping skills made me chuckle.

lol yea I spent like an hour trying to find a pic/trying to resize pics but all I have is paint

Omg kfaess don't tell me you're a syracuse fan

absolutely a syracuse fan you a fan of a diff big east team? We're gonna be nasty next year

[Lukie]

Settle this debate.

A team is 53-29. They are ___x___ games above .500.

a) x = 12
b) x = 24

[bigspenda73]

24

who ever says 12 is an idiot

[will641]

Settle this debate.

A team is 53-29. They are ___x___ games above .500.

a) x = 12
b) x = 24

24. how do you even come up with 12?

[swiggidy]

Settle this debate.

A team is 53-29. They are ___x___ games above .500.

a) x = 12
b) x = 24

24. how do you even come up with 12?

41-41 is 0.500, we're 12 wins above that. The villain is ignoring we are also 12 loses below 0.500, thus 24 games.

[GatorJH]

6'2" maybe?

I agree with this assessment.

[ChrisBCritter]

24

who ever says 12 is an idiot

Wow, Cinderlukie looks kinda scary... Oh and 12...

[swiggidy]

24

who ever says 12 is an idiot

Wow, Cinderlukie looks kinda scary... Oh and 12...

Epic level?

[Galapogos]

You must have been working out.

[Lukie]

24

who ever says 12 is an idiot

agree wholeheartedly

The argument he used went something like this:

Say you had a team that was 40-38 and another that was 38-38. The 40-38 team would be considered one game ahead in the standings and if the 38-38 team won head to head, they'd be equal at 39-38. I tried to explain that's basically like playing 2 separate games so it's not relevant. More important is that the 40-38 team would have to lose 2 games to be back at .500; hence they are 2 games above .500.

He wouldn't budge, so either I'm a poor explainer or he's just very dumb.

[Lukie]

24

who ever says 12 is an idiot

Wow, Cinderlukie looks kinda scary... Oh and 12...

Cinderswigg*

[Lukie]

6'2" maybe?

I agree with this assessment.

I think it's more like 6'4" but thats after some rapidly diminishing returns. Also, I defer to wuf on the logic and examples.

[Jack Sawyer]

I'm a bit north of 6'4", but most of my women have been between 4'11" and 5'6". I usually tower any woman I'm with, and they love that.

I wonder what's considered "tall" for chicks? 5'11"?

[bigspenda73]

swiggerella

[swiggidy]

6'2" maybe?

I agree with this assessment.

I think it's more like 6'4" but thats after some rapidly diminishing returns. Also, I defer to wuf on the logic and examples.

Your 5-95% range is 5'1" to 5'8" with the middle at like 5'5".

I'm going to guess that 12" is borderline "too much taller", thus 6'1" would cover 90% of the girls without excluding any and still leave 5" taller than the high end of the range. I think 6'4" would eliminate a lot of short girls.

My reference (difficult to read chart):
http://www.halls.md/chart/women-height-w.htm

[Lukie]

6'2" maybe?

I agree with this assessment.

I think it's more like 6'4" but thats after some rapidly diminishing returns. Also, I defer to wuf on the logic and examples.

Your 5-95% range is 5'1" to 5'8" with the middle at like 5'5".

I'm going to guess that 12" is borderline "too much taller", thus 6'1" would cover 90% of the girls without excluding any and still leave 5" taller than the high end of the range. I think 6'4" would eliminate a lot of short girls.

My reference (difficult to read chart):
http://www.halls.md/chart/women-height-w.htm

Alternatively, you could have just linked to the ftr photo gallery and that would be /discussion.

I don't think the 2 inches matters a whole lot either way; going from 5'6 to 5'8 on the other hand would be a big difference.

perk of being tall: it's easier to get laid
perk of being short: longer life expectancy

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c19756a8ee28e2

Findings based on millions of deaths suggest that shorter, smaller bodies have lower death rates and fewer diet-related chronic diseases, especially past middle age. Shorter people also appear to have longer average lifespans. The authors suggest that the differences in longevity between the sexes is due to their height differences because men average about 8.0% taller than women and have a 7.9% lower life expectancy at birth. Animal experiments also show that smaller animals within the same species generally live longer.

[wufwugy]

i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. i need to learn kung fu to be the alpha male and damn that's tough work

just start lifting weights. dead serious. it's easy and fun as shit

im 5'8" and when between a lean 180-205 even women the same height as me still felt 'small', and that's what it's about

of course now im a fatass (not really) at like 235

[wufwugy]

Findings based on millions of deaths suggest that shorter, smaller bodies...

lol when i first read that i thought it said 'smaller boobies' i was liek nooooooooooo

One of my hypotheses about why shorter people may live longer is because they eat less, and I don't mean they eat less and are thus 'healthier' but that they simply process less food and that has longevity effects.

There hasn't been a ton research done on this stuff, but I have seen a bit of evidence that suggests that calorie reduction increases longevity. Obviously if the reduction is to the point of malnurishment it has the opposite effect. One rather interesting study involved intermittent fasting in mice i.e. the mice would eat like once every 48 hours or something, and they lived substantially longer than the normally fed control group. I'm not sure what the calorie differences were there, but it's also possible that in that study calories were the same in both test groups and so the longevity was for other reasons having to do with periodic calorie restriction.

[Lukie]

Findings based on millions of deaths suggest that shorter, smaller bodies...

lol when i first read that i thought it said 'smaller boobies' i was liek nooooooooooo

One of my hypotheses about why shorter people may live longer is because they eat less, and I don't mean they eat less and are thus 'healthier' but that they simply process less food and that has longevity effects.

There hasn't been a ton research done on this stuff, but I have seen a bit of evidence that suggests that calorie reduction increases longevity. Obviously if the reduction is to the point of malnurishment it has the opposite effect. One rather interesting study involved intermittent fasting in mice i.e. the mice would eat like once every 48 hours or something, and they lived substantially longer than the normally fed control group. I'm not sure what the calorie differences were there, but it's also possible that in that study calories were the same in both test groups and so the longevity was for other reasons having to do with periodic calorie restriction.

yeah I know exactly what you're talking about. The funny part is that it's at direct odds with the typical health/fitness advice (that I also recommend) of eating 5-6 small meals a day.

with that being said, I'm very convinced that in the future we will see dramatic increases in life expectancy, particularly those who are healthy and wealthy enough to benefit from the scientific and medical breakthroughs that we're going to see.

[Lukie]

i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. i need to learn kung fu to be the alpha male and damn that's tough work

just start lifting weights. dead serious. it's easy and fun as shit

im 5'8" and when between a lean 180-205 even women the same height as me still felt 'small', and that's what it's about

of course now im a fatass (not really) at like 235

http://www.briankim.net/blog/2006/08...-lift-weights/

(also, I think girls benefit greatly from weight lifting as well, but not because they need more testosterone and you're not a girl anyway. I think.)

[wufwugy]

naw im def a girl. thats me in the sig yo

how cud u not figure that out?

[wufwugy]

Article on study resulting in children = bad for marriage

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...alsatisfaction

"Couples who do not have children also show diminished marital quality over time," says Scott Stanley, research professor of psychology at University of Denver. "However, having a baby accelerates the deterioration, especially seen during periods of adjustment right after the birth of a child."

Looks like the study didn't control for types of couples, just couples in general

[swiggidy]

Article on study resulting in children = bad for marriage

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...alsatisfaction

"Couples who do not have children also show diminished marital quality over time," says Scott Stanley, research professor of psychology at University of Denver. "However, having a baby accelerates the deterioration, especially seen during periods of adjustment right after the birth of a child."

Looks like the study didn't control for types of couples, just couples in general

[ ] Surprised

[Xianti]

naw im def a girl. thats me in the sig yo

We have sexy time, yes?

[ChrisBCritter]

swiggerella

whoops, I guess I looked too quick, way too much hair for lookie. I would probably have picked up on that a LOT quicker if I ever had met either of them in person.

BTW, now noticing Xianti's Av, what's the dealeo?

[bikes]

Great Success!

[swiggidy]

BTW, now noticing Xianti's Av, what's the dealeo?

I'm the mascot yo

[Xianti]

It's Disney Swiggidy month!

[wufwugy]

leatherass is a douche

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jttTEMiZ8g

[mrhappy333]

The Secretary of State( Hiilary Clinton ) Laughing about the Pirate issue.
WTF?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_c3...layer_embedded

[Parasurama]

Omg kfaess don't tell me you're a syracuse fan

absolutely a syracuse fan you a fan of a diff big east team? We're gonna be nasty next year

Yeah, georgetown all the way son, but seriously we sucked this year and our prospects don't look much better

It was nice beating you at home though

[a500lbgorilla]

The Secretary of State( Hiilary Clinton ) Laughing about the Pirate issue.
WTF?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_c3...layer_embedded

something hilarious just off camera?

[mrhappy333]

You would hope so ^^^. It makes her look bad anyway.

[mrhappy333]

Google search reveals she was trying to hold back from saying, ARRRRRRRRRR.
And that she is Psycho. ldo

[givememyleg]

i'm 5'9" 140 lbs. i need to learn kung fu to be the alpha male and damn that's tough work

just start lifting weights. dead serious. it's easy and fun as shit

im 5'8" and when between a lean 180-205 even women the same height as me still felt 'small', and that's what it's about

of course now im a fatass (not really) at like 235

http://www.briankim.net/blog/2006/08...-lift-weights/

(also, I think girls benefit greatly from weight lifting as well, but not because they need more testosterone and you're not a girl anyway. I think.)

i actually started lifting about a month ago (for about the 4th time in my life) but i feel different this time. usually what happens is i get motivated, work out for a few months, then quit for no real reason. {insert poor, non-related cop out pussy excuse as to why i quit}

[will641]

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...-park-come_fun

[swiggidy]

Leg, if you attack it with due diligence for 3 months, then take a couple months off, you'll still reap long term gains. I always rolled, 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off because of the quarter structure of school, but it was always good results.

[wufwugy]

one thing is u gotta be sure to lift actual progressively heavy weights (relative to your strength) for decent volume.

in 4 months time, a beginner should be seeing such amazing results that they will plan to never quit

[boost]

I kinda wanna start working out.

but then again I kinda wanna start doing a million diff things. Why are there so few hours in the day?

Speaking of which, Im in class with this girl that is an insomniac, and its crazy hearing her talking about it. She sleeps for like a couple of hours a week. But she gets migranes a lot because of this, so I guess that sucks.

[bigspenda73]

I need some cool movies to watch, this week I finally saw Snatch, Lock Stock and two smoking barrels, and reservoir dogs

kinda looking for films like this, something from the tarantino genre that's interesting, has some action, and def. a good storyline.