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 Originally Posted by wufwugy
I used to be libertarian, also. Big time. But the more I learned the more I found I was swaying towards something along the lines of social liberalism. I don't much care for political identification since the meanings are and have been across the board. For example, Jefferson 'founded' both US liberalism and conservatism, succinctly defining political terminology is a pretty tall order.
Agreed. I also try to shy away from political identification but "libertarian" is the best available word for mine, so I used it for convenience.
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Yet another is Communitarianism vs Individualism, also known as Populism vs Libertarianism. It seems to be common thought that social liberty is polar to individual liberty, but I don't understand how that can be the case. Social liberty IS individual liberty, and vise versa, they're just two different ways of looking at the same thing. Since society is a population, if each individual in that population has individual liberty then they collectively have social liberty. This seems to me to be a big distinction between liberalism and libertarianism that is simply just false, and the reason for that is the ideologies are not thought through, and thus they appear different.
It was my understanding that liberalism involves supporting social equality not social liberty, which I agree is equivalent to individual liberty. In my view, there is nothing about liberty that requires optimizing well-being for most/all.
Originally Posted by wufwugy
As far as current US libertarian policy goes, I have found that much of it is poor and would not do what it claims it would. If you would like to discuss policy then I'm game, but if not then thanks for the cordial discourse
God no, discussing policy is less fun than a LO8 freeroll  . Thank you for the discourse too.
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