The point is that Liberal vs Conservative is *relative*. Relative to ME, Kerry is conservative.

And I can pretty much guarentee that should Kerry win today, we will STILL have a war in Iraq in 4 years. THere's just no easy getting out of that little mess. Well, maybe we could get out in 3 if the insurgants are cooperative, but I haven't yet heard of a cooperative insurgant!

Finally - as for "giving the US over to the UN" - utterly luda-KRIS1. The fact is, we are a founding and security council member of the UN, even if we don't pay our dues (actually we may currently be up to date, but I doubt it).

If the UN is that bad, we should leave it like the other rogue nations. But as long as we are member, we should abide by it's decrees, lest Iraq invade us or something.