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[Aceofone]

Get off your liberal high horse and find out some facts before you post about a country in which you dont even live.

My posts were intended to spark debate on some political subjects. If I hit a nerve I'm sorry, but since you left this one pretty open, I'll finish it.

*Breathes in deeply*

Yet you still lost the war and you made it that far? Incredible.

Taken from www.historycentral.com

The War of 1812 is one of the forgotten wars of the United States. The war lasted for over two years, and while it ended much like it started; in stalemate; it was in fact a war that once and for all confirmed American Independence. The offensive actions of the United States failed in every attempt to capture Canada. On the other hand, the British army was successfully stopped when it attempted to capture Baltimore and New Orleans. There were a number of American naval victories in which American vessels proved themselves superior to similarly sized British vessels. These victories coming after victories in the Quasi War (an even more forgotten war) launched American naval traditions.

Hmmm... Stalemate, it would appear we were both wrong in our statements.

You see this as a lie, you shouldn't. The information we had was incorrect. A lie means purposeful misleading. It must have INTENT. Bush's advisors and intelligence gathers should be at fault, not himself, he was only acting on the information he had.

Again, this is a misperception of my previous statement, I said it was done "ON A LIE" to be exact, I didn't specify that it was Bush, but incorrect information starts somewhere, somebody lied, or was pressured to lie about WMD before the war could begin, Gieger counters dont go off if there is no radiation, you follow? Furthermore, I'm curious as to why there has been no one to accept responsibility for the F*ckup.

Again, incorrect. They just held public elections there last week, and that was a SUCCESS, with relative or little problems (considering it was their first EVER election). The opponent doesnt know how to realize he lost, thats all.

Re: the afghan issue. I apologize for using the term "Failed State" that was contradictory to the message I was intending, what I should have said is: "Radically unstable." This showed up in todays paper, I can provide more instances of similar violence if you like.

For Example
Kabul explosion kills election organizer, four others
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ry=afghanistan

These are my sources, I pulled these up quickly through searching, if you would like something more concrete for my arguments then please notify me. Yes I am a liberal, that much is clear, but my opinions are not based solely on the 5'o'clock news that spews the same biased garbage onto the unsuspecting masses. I carefully research current events that interest me as it is a hobby of mine.

Now that you know where the information I have used comes from, present a rebuttal using facts, not broad sweeping statements.

I'll mention this again, Elipsesjeff: This was intended to start a debate, if you have stinging sarcastic comments to make about me, please make them TO me through use of the PM function. I have no desire to argue with anyone on this board, for it would in essence, be pointless. But, if you want to redo your rebuttal of my original post, then now you have the facts and I welcome your opinion.