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 Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
We have never 'theoretically' lost a war to date (no need for the communism remarks).
1812, the Canadians and the British marched down Pennsylvania Ave and burned the white house to the ground.
Overall, I'm surprised by the apathy towards Bush, he invaded a country that has cost many civilian and American lives, ON A LIE. No ifs, ands, or buts about it, he lied, in most countries he would have been thrown out of office. It's not that I have a small problem with Bush, I have a big problem with his entire administration (excluding Powell). Rumsfeld should have resigned over the abu gairab incident, but he has clung to power.
Granted, the whole Iraq fiasco cannot be ignored now. The Bush administration dug a big hole, and now it needs the support of countries because it's rapidly turning into a failed state, Iraq cannot be left to develop on its own. Unfortunately, the rest of the world realizes that we cannot allow Iraq to fail, it must succeed now that the groundwork has been setup. Also, how long has it been since anyone thought about Afganistan (not sure on spelling). it IS a failed state, and with the US diverting its resources towards Iraq, social circumstances will lead to another Taliban and the process will repeat itself.
Some other things to consider about the Bush/Kerry decision, Economics and the long term effects of Bush's decisions. The US has its biggest Current Account deficit ever. For all the younger posters in the US (my age) in college, its important to remember that his rampant spend and bomb policies are mortgaging your future, you are the ones who will be taxed heavily, with little to no social safety net.
*exhales, Im off the soapbox*
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