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Ok, but if Fred West saved my life I'd say thanks but you're still a cunt for burying all those people under your patio.
That's all I'm asking for.

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Ok fair enough, nothing is black and white, but even if you can squeeze an iota of nuance out of me there's still no justifying supporting Nazis.
OK, but do we agree that supporting a nation is not identical to supporting the Nazis in that nation?

The reason we are *so* vehemently opposed to Nazis isn't just their ass-backward hate, but the scale of their atrocities.
We also hate the KKK, but the scale of their atrocities pales to WWII Nazis.
There were no atrocities on *that* scale in Ukraine prior to Feb 24 of this year.

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The economic reality of war means that it's in our interests to engage in war. That's extremely problematic. It's not in my interests, or your interests. We're paying more for fuel and wheat. But it's certainly in the interests of those who have a vested interest in things like military hardware, weapons, ammo, construction, the list is endless.
True facts, there.

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This is not completely true. We can't force Russia to submit to international courts and extradite suspects, but if we can get people out of Russia then they can be prosecuted. Many of those who were guilty of war crimes in Bosnia and Kosovo were tried. They were caught, they were tried. It takes time, but the political will tend to shift because in ten years or whatever Russia will want sanctions lifted. That's when those who committed war crimes will start looking over their shoulders.
Bosnia and Kosovo - genocides

You're suggesting that we allow genocides to happen because 10 years later we can punish the perpetrators?
Not try to actively stop the genocide in the first place?
I kinda doubt that, actually.

So during WWII, your argument would be... let's just let this Hitler thing play out and see how it goes..? Maybe after he's taken all of mainland Europe, and just across the Channel from us banging on our door, then we'll ask him nicely to just not.
Doubt.