I feel like you missed this part, ong.

Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
OK, so even 1 is problematic, so what gives? Why are a nation of non Nazi supporters allowing these 100 - 200 Nazis to stand as national heroes?
Azov battalion defended Mariupol in 2014 and since against Russian aggression and invasion. They repelled the Russian advances on Mariupol in 2014 when Crimea was annexed by Russia. They fought with patriotism and success to defend their country and its people then. The Azov defense of Mariupol this year was major news for weeks on end. They ultimately lost the city, but their fight was courageous and forced pyrrhic victories on the Russians, amplifying the casualties of the invaders.

It's complicated. It's fucking complicated, even.

You and I may hate Nazis, but if our lives were literally saved by 1, we might have a more layered and complicated view of that particular Nazi.


Context matters.
You're acting like you can boil down a person's entire being into "Do they support Nazis?" without allowing for a nuanced answer.

And Poop asked a very good question: Is the moral position to not support Ukraine because of the existence of Azov so important to you that you can turn a blind eye to the actual torture and execution of people - including children - and the bombing of civilian infrastructure to deliberately cause people to freeze to death in the winter and the kidnapping and deportation of thousands of Ukrainian children?

Is your stance against Nazism so strong that you can ignore the actual harm being done based on your fear of the potential harm that a couple hundred Nazis can do?

Serious question.