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    Quote Originally Posted by cocco
    The first group is who I trust, since even though they too do make mistakes, they're actually trying to be journalists and have some integrity.
    I believe AP and Reuters are the best of the MSM, but far from perfect. I appreciate real journalism when I see it, it's just difficult convincing me that what I see is real journalism. This is why I trust Craig Murray, his interest is truth. I mean, he's a socialist, I don't sit on the same political side as he does, but when it comes to foreign policy and global affairs, I respect his journalism. He actually investigates, isn't afraid of being called a conspiracy nut, while at the same time is critical of many conspiracy theories. He won't entertain 9/11 debate on his forum. I think I read him say once that he believes the official story, and that he respects those who don't, but he doesn't want the flame wars on his forum that comes with it, so he'll just delete any such comments. It's not like the guy is a sensationalist trying to get follows from people like me. It's also clear his motivation isn't money, since his pension in the foreign office would have been far more than he can make selling books and asking for donations. He blew that pension due to his conscience.

    Just being dismissive about all mainstream reporting and blindly accepting unverified alternative sources is about the worst thing one can do.
    I don't blindly accept anyone. I did my research into the guy and his story about being a former ambassador checks out. I have witnessed over the last few years the British state attempt to crush this guy, he recently spent time in prison for attempting to be a journalist. The British state do not like this guy, because he is highly critical of British policy, and given his position as a former employee of the state, he has a lot of respect within the alternative media community.

    MSM on the other hand, they are all motivated by money. All of them. Their job is to sell stories, while Murray's job is to tell stories. Big difference. And those who are motivated by money don't care about truth.

    An example of how the MSM works in today's world was clear when Murray was reporting on the Julian Assange case. In the gallery at court, Murray was sat with other members of the press. Only Murray was taking notes, nobody else was. All of those journalists present simply took the press notes from the case and copy/pasted them into their work. Is that real journalism? MSM journalists won't publish anything that will risk their job. That's why independent journalists are much more trustworthy than MSM journalists. Independent journalists do not fear their editor firing them and other consequences of truthful journalism.

    I think trusting MSM is insane. You have to dig around, find the bloggers, put your faith in someone who seems like they are interested in truth.

    And btw, this doesn't mean I believe everything he says. He might sincerely get stuff wrong, or get given bad information. It's not like I read his stuff and think "that's the truth". I read and and I think "this is what Craig thinks is the truth". I trust his sincerity, not necessarily his accuracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ongtin View Post
    I don't blindly accept anyone. I did my research into the guy and his story about being a former ambassador checks out.
    Yeah a former ambassador would never lie. Just because their job irl was to be a professional liar.




    Quote Originally Posted by Ongtin View Post
    I have witnessed over the last few years the British state attempt to crush this guy, he recently spent time in prison for attempting to be a journalist.
    Need more info here. What was the actual charge? I'm pretty sure "attempted journalism" is not a crime, even in the UK.




    Quote Originally Posted by Ongtin View Post
    The British state do not like this guy, because he is highly critical of British policy,
    Amazing. You'd think they'd be all in favour of a sharp critic.




    Quote Originally Posted by Ongtin View Post
    MSM on the other hand, they are all motivated by money. All of them. Their job is to sell stories, while Murray's job is to tell stories. Big difference. And those who are motivated by money don't care about truth.
    How sure are you his motives are pure? Do you know where he gets his income from? Is it possible he's just butthurt because he lost his job?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.

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