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[OngBonga]

It would be ludricous to compare us and ask why we aren't taking as many as Poland, I agree. It's not ludicrous to ask that if a relatively poor country like Poland can handle X hundred thousand, why can we only handle 50?

Nobody is saying this though. Nobody is saying we can only handle 50. That's simply what we've taken so far. We're talking about 200k, let's see if that actually happens.

The main reason they would want to come here is family ties, or b/c English is their only second language.

Sure. Presumably, only 50 people have thus far proven their family ties to the UK, since this is the criteria we're currently applying. I don't think language is going to be an immediate concern though. Maybe if they need to settle then it becomes a problem, but if they're worried about language, then it simply makes more sense to remain where the bulk of the Ukrainian refugees are.

It depends on how many are trying to get here and how easy or hard we are making it.

I'm certainly agreeing with you that we can and should do more.

I can only assume since we've taken 50, we're not doing much to help those who do want to come.

Presumably there are no figures showing how many have tried. We're guessing here.

I've also heard things about U refugees with family in the UK getting the runaround over paperwork, sent back and forth from Calais to Paris...

Calais is a complete shitshow. It's basically a third world part of France, where the French are happy for unwanted migrants to gather so they can fuck off the England. If I were trying to get to the UK from Ukraine, I'd head to a capital city, probably Warsaw, but if I could get to Paris, that makes sense too. Going to Calais is stupid.

Ireland has a population of about 5 million. Iceland well under 1 million. So yeah, the islands you're picking are smaller and smaller and further and further away. But other than that, they're islands just like us.

I like how you think a larger population means we should allow a larger number of refugees. I'd say a larger population makes it more difficult, not less. We have a very high population density, especially compared to Ireland. We'll leave Iceland out of this because I was kinda just being silly with that, it's mostly a frozen wasteland and hardly an ideal location for refugees. But Ireland is a reasonable comparison.

Yeah, well played. So this person thinks it's a brag that we haven't taken the absolute fewest in the entire world last year, and that makes up for the fact we've only taken 50 from Ukraine so far.

700 over a year is pitiful. If that was the UK's effort, you'd be all over it. Ireland is an EU country, surely they should be doing more in your opinion. Right?

Right?

[Poopadoop]

700 over a year is pitiful. If that was the UK's effort, you'd be all over it. Ireland is an EU country, surely they should be doing more in your opinion. Right?

Right?

Like I said, it really depends on how many applications they get and how helpful they are in assisting those applications. If they're getting 10k applications a year and accepting 700, then yes they're being cunts. If they're sending battleships and jetskis into the Irish sea to deter refugees, they're also cunts. If they're making it difficult for Ukrainian refugees to get a visa by making them jump through a bunch of hoops, they're also cunts. But if they have reaonable policies, and are still only getting 750 applications a year and accepting 700 that's completely different obv.

I don't follow Irish politics so I don't know. They could be as open to refugees as anyone and just not get many applications.

It's also a bad comparison because they are a lot smaller. It's not about having empty space, as if the refugees could go and live in the woods somewhere. It's about having infrastructure, housing, roads, etc.. Otherwise the world could just ship all its refugees to Greenland and Antarctica. If you want to compare the UK to another country, pick one that's a similar size, like FRA, GER, ITA, etc. We're last on that list by a long ways, and have been for a number of years.

[OngBonga]

Reductio whataboutismo.

Not really. The UK issue is a minor issue that you're politicising to throw shit at Boris and Patel. The Poland border issue is, apparently, actual racism happening in 2022. When it happens in USA, you're outraged and think this is relevant to the UK. Why is it not outrageous when Poland are racist?

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Not really. The UK issue is a minor issue that you're politicising to throw shit at Boris and Patel. The Poland border issue is, apparently, actual racism happening in 2022. When it happens in USA, you're outraged and think this is relevant to the UK. Why is it not outrageous when Poland are racist?

It's 100% reductio whataboutismo.

The topic I raised is the UK's shitty response to the refugee crisis. Your contribution has been "yeah, but whatbout [insert whatever other country you can find a reason to criticise here]?" Rinse and repeat.