*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[BananaStand]

Do you understand what asylum seeking means? It's not about sneaking into a country and then, if you get caught, claiming asylum.

Hmmm, not so fast

Asylum seekers present themselves to immigration at a border crossing and file a claim to asylum. They're then detained (previously as a family unit, but for a while not), while their case goes to proceedings. What law are they breaking by doing that? What possible justification is there for separating them from their children under these circumstances?

^ I believe these stories are either not true, or extremely rare.

The bulk of these "family separations" were plain old border jumpers who didn't effectively use their 20 day grace period to make arrangements for their kids.

[Poopadoop]

Here's a good description of the issue.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sual-explainer

[BananaStand]

Here's a good description of the issue.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sual-explainer

Honestly, being from Vox, I expected this to be a demagogue-ish rant full of inaccuracies and anti-Trump rhetoric. Even if it can still be called, that, I actually have NO PROBLEM with this process as described. None.

It says right in there, all these folks had to do was get in line.

But they might be refused....so they cheat??!! WTF??

The line is too long, so they cheat??!! WTF??

If their asylum claim can't withstand regular vetting procedures, then it's probably bullshit anyway. If they need to cheat the system in order to get entry into the US, then I flat out do not give a fuck what ill befalls them. Follow the rules, or fuck off.

[Poopadoop]

Right, so these people are supposed to present themselves at a border crossing, then wait for a long time in a prison for the chance to go stand in front of a judge and have a 25% chance of gaining legal entry. And you're surprised sneaking in seems like a better option to them, and if they do sneak in and get caught they should lose their children.

gg

[Poopadoop]

Oh and this little bit of breaking international law on asylum seekers is OK if you're America and claim to be the moral authority of the world.

Instead of first figuring out whether you should be granted asylum, the administration’s first step is now to deal with the other matter at hand: the misdemeanor for illegal entry.

[Poopadoop]

"Zero tolerance" ftw

3) After serving time in jail, parents try to reunite with their kids. But there is no process to make this happen.

And it could take time to see a judge because immigration courts are backlogged — and this would get worse since the Trump administration wants to prosecute all border crossers.

The maximum sentence for a first-time illegal entry conviction is six months. Usually judges just sentence immigrants to “time served.”

Once you’ve been convicted, you are returned to the custody of immigration officials to go through deportation proceedings. This is when you can theoretically reunite with your child at a civil detention center while you pursue your asylum case, according to the administration.

But that’s not what’s happening. The US has no procedure to reunite parents with children. In the detention centers, immigrants don’t have phone access. It’s taken some parents months to track down their kids. In addition, some parents are being deported without their children, and advocates say some small children are being deported without their parents.

yaya I know, what about Hillary's emails?

[OngBonga]

Right, so these people are supposed to present themselves at a border crossing...

Right, so let's say I want to move to USA. I just turn up at the border?

[Poopadoop]

Right, so let's say I want to move to USA. I just turn up at the border?

Are you comparing your situation to that of an asylum seekier from C. America running for their lives? What are even getting at?

[OngBonga]

Are you comparing your situation to that of an asylum seekier from C. America running for their lives? What are even getting at?

Running for their lives? All the way from El Salvador to USA? Running for their economic benefit, more like. Why did they travel through ALL of Mexico? Why do they fear for their lives there?

You seem to think that if you're running for your life, you can choose where you go.

[OngBonga]

What I was getting at is there is a proper way to apply for residency in another country. Getting to the border unannounced and then crossing illegally is not the way to do it. If you do, and if you get caught, then you bear the consequences.

[BananaStand]

Right, so these people are supposed to present themselves at a border crossing, then wait for a long time in a prison for the chance to go stand in front of a judge and have a 25% chance of gaining legal entry.

YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO

And you're surprised sneaking in seems like a better option to them

No, I'm not surprised at that. Robbing a bank sounds like a better option than starving to death, that's still not a good reason to do it.

and if they do sneak in and get caught they should lose their children.

No, they should realize that they fucked up, and broke the rules. They should own their actions and accept responsibilities for the offenses they have made. They should take advantage of the 20 day waiting period and make arrangements for their child's safety. Then they should man-up and accept whatever consequences the US government has decided is appropriate for being a selfish rule-breaking ass hole.

Poop, your whole argument seems to be "getting arrested sucks, so we shouldn't make people endure that, unless they're american, then fuck 'em"

You seem to be advocating a policy that allows people to insulate themselves against prosecution by accompanying a child. Do you not see what a perverse incentive that creates? Do you not see how that puts MORE kids in danger!!??

[Poopadoop]

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Sorry I thought you read that Vox piece. They aren't given 20 days to find somewhere for their kids to go, they're separated immediately. Where do you get that from? And even if they did have 20 days, how are they going to contact anyone when they're not given access to a phone?

But ok, just keep making up your own facts if it makes you feel better.

Those kids are much better off now without their parents.

[BananaStand]

Those kids are much better off now without their parents.

Agreed. Problem solved