*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[OngBonga]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

By the way... anyone who says "starting arguments with women" like that's worse than arguing with a man, you don't get to play the equality card ever again.

[Poopadoop]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

By the way... anyone who says "starting arguments with women" like that's worse than arguing with a man, you don't get to play the equality card ever again.

Obviously it takes a pussy to pick a fight with someone half his size (usually a woman, but could be a kid too). What's that got to do with equality?

[OngBonga]

Obviously it takes a pussy to pick a fight with someone half his size (usually a woman, but could be a kid too). What's that got to do with equality?

I guess the same kind who goes around picking fights with women over parking spaces.

That's twice now you've accused this guy of "picking a fight" with the woman.

There's a world of difference between "having an argument" and "picking a fight". I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy was "picking a fight" with a woman... rather, he was "having an argument". If we're simply discussing the subject matter in hand (in this case parking in retard spaces), and assuming there is no intimdation or threatening behaviour, then it makes absolutely no difference whether it's a man or woman. None.

What's it got to do with equality? You're using the fact she's a woman as ammo against him. Forgive me, I assumed you were in favour of gender equality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I never said anything about oppression, or colour for that matter. I said it's an idiotic law because it gives people an excuse to escalate any confrontation into the use of deadly force.

I'm torn on the matter, to be honest. On the one hand, I do think that in an armed country, people should have the right to defend themselves against threats to life. And banana is right that this guy has a split second to determine if his life is at risk. That said, this dude does appear to take it a little too far, like why doesn't he shout "get the fuck down, on the floor", some shit like that? It's a reckless reaction, probably influenced by anger rather than fear for life. But I have absolutely no idea what goes on in peoples' heads in that split second they have to make a judgement, so other than to say he's a piece of shit, I can't really say if I think he should be jailed for this. He was pushed over forcefully, fear is a natural emotion to feel in the seconds that follow. How would I react? Fuck knows.

[Poopadoop]

That's twice now you've accused this guy of "picking a fight" with the woman.

There's a world of difference between "having an argument" and "picking a fight". I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy was "picking a fight" with a woman... rather, he was "having an argument". If we're simply discussing the subject matter in hand (in this case parking in retard spaces), and assuming there is no intimdation or threatening behaviour, then it makes absolutely no difference whether it's a man or woman. None.

What's it got to do with equality? You're using the fact she's a woman as ammo against him. Forgive me, I assumed you were in favour of gender equality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Give it up.

On the one hand, I do think that in an armed country, people should have the right to defend themselves against threats to life. And banana is right that this guy has a split second to determine if his life is at risk.

No reasonable person thinks being shoved to the ground necessitates a threat to your life. If the guy was gonna kill you he wouldnt stop after he shoved you and just stand there. He'd be on top of you banging your head off the ground.

Either that or he'd just pull his own gun and shoot you in cold blood in the first place.

That said, this dude does appear to take it a little too far, like why doesn't he shout "get the fuck down, on the floor", some shit like that?

You obviously missed banana's expert analysis whereby you're not a proper CCW owner if you treat pulling your gun, aiming it, and shooting to kill someone as three separate decisions. Once you decide to pull your gun you have to kill them, that's the rule.

[MadMojoMonkey]

No reasonable person thinks being shoved to the ground necessitates a threat to your life. If the guy was gonna kill you he wouldnt stop after he shoved you and just stand there. He'd be on top of you banging your head off the ground.

Either that or he'd just pull his own gun and shoot you in cold blood in the first place.

This. Mostly.

It's absurd to posit that every murderer will act in the same way. We can't know the intent of the pusher.
However, the body language indicates what you've asserted. He wasn't continuing to attack after the initial push. His hands were at his sides.
He backed away when the gun was drawn. (I don't see the gun in the video, but knowing that the guy was shot makes it fairly clear when the gun was pulled.)



FFS, it's a war crime to shoot someone whom is not an "active combatant." Shooting someone fleeing a field of battle is a war crime.
The reality on the ground may never pan out like that. I'm not saying it does.
I'm saying that if the laws we hold as humans offer more right to life to a true enemy of our country than to our citizens in a parking lot, then things are fucking wrong.

Fuck your SYG laws, Florida.

[Jack Sawyer]

That's twice now you've accused this guy of "picking a fight" with the woman.

There's a world of difference between "having an argument" and "picking a fight". I see absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this guy was "picking a fight" with a woman... rather, he was "having an argument". If we're simply discussing the subject matter in hand (in this case parking in retard spaces), and assuming there is no intimdation or threatening behaviour, then it makes absolutely no difference whether it's a man or woman. None.

What's it got to do with equality? You're using the fact she's a woman as ammo against him. Forgive me, I assumed you were in favour of gender equality. Correct me if I'm wrong.



I'm torn on the matter, to be honest. On the one hand, I do think that in an armed country, people should have the right to defend themselves against threats to life. And banana is right that this guy has a split second to determine if his life is at risk. That said, this dude does appear to take it a little too far, like why doesn't he shout "get the fuck down, on the floor", some shit like that? It's a reckless reaction, probably influenced by anger rather than fear for life. But I have absolutely no idea what goes on in peoples' heads in that split second they have to make a judgement, so other than to say he's a piece of shit, I can't really say if I think he should be jailed for this. He was pushed over forcefully, fear is a natural emotion to feel in the seconds that follow. How would I react? Fuck knows.

Keep in mind, this dude is basically a gun nut. This is an as biased an account of things as you could get.

And yet the first thing he says is to NOT GET INTO FIGHTS.

JUST CARRYING A FIREARM DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO BE THE JERK.

JUST CARRYING A FIREARM DOES NOT MAKE YOU THE ENFORCER OF ANY MORAL CODE.

I like this guy.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I have an opinion too about that shooting. I watched the video. Both of these men are pieces of shit.

Yes, I agree. One of them died for being a typically testosterone-filled male whom saw his family being verbally ... idk ... assaulted? abused? ... it's not really important. His behavior was over the top in that his first approach was to escalate the verbal confrontation to a physical one.
I think we can all appreciate a father's instinct to protect his family.

He could have probably told the guy to STFU and leave his family alone and then driven away. We don't know if that would have worked, but it doesn't seem the guy even tried. The body-language of that video suggests that his first action was to run over and push the guy.

That's not death-sentence worthy activity, though.

[BananaStand]

@MMM Sometimes I don't get you. There are clear instances in post #1585 where it looks like you "get it". But then you completely blow it with stuff like:

I think we can all appreciate a father's instinct to protect his family

No. This sentiment needs to be dropped from the discussion. There's no evidence that shows that his family needed protection. Were they being threatened? Were they in danger? What facts are known that could have reasonably led a person to react instinctively?

Yes I can appreciate a father's protection instincts. But I can also appreciate the obligation to be a non-psycho and differentiate between a a threat to your family's safety, and a person saying "you can't park here"

Strawman time! Let's say a Vietnam veteran has a flashback and shoots a north vietnamese immigrant in the street. Are you gonna say "I think we can all appreciate a soldier's instinct to protect his country"

That's not death-sentence worthy activity, though.

You need to stop saying shit like this too. "sentence" makes it sound like the shooter made a calculated decision about justice. You're implying that he shot this man as a retaliation for an offense, or as punishment for one.

The man was physically aggressive. He was NOT backing away (before the gun was pulled). I'll bet my house that whatever was spilling out of his mouth was not pleasant. He was acting like a deranged gorilla invoking family-protection instincts. You're on the ground. He's still coming at you. You don't know if he's armed. And you don't know if he's going to stop assaulting you. This is not the time to be weighing a judicial philosophy of whether or not a bullet is a commensurate response to a punch. You're under attack. Respond.

[Poopadoop]

He was acting like a deranged gorilla

Good job not being a racist there.

[BananaStand]

Good job not being a racist there.

Gorilla seems like an apt analogy for a person indiscriminately flailing brute strength. If I had taken a second to think about it, I would have realized how not-PC it is to liken black people to gorillas. I didn't do that, because I don't think I should have to. I shouldn't have to narrow my vocabulary, or be forced to discriminate among my vocabulary, just to accommodate racial sensitivity.

I had totally forgotten that the guy was black when I made that post. So I'm not sorry. The guy acted like crazed simian and I feel comfortable describing his behavior as such.

[Poopadoop]

Gorilla seems like an apt analogy for a person indiscriminately flailing brute strength. If I had taken a second to think about it, I would have realized how not-PC it is to liken black people to gorillas. I didn't do that, because I don't think I should have to. I shouldn't have to narrow my vocabulary, or be forced to discriminate among my vocabulary, just to accommodate racial sensitivity.

I had totally forgotten that the guy was black when I made that post. So I'm not sorry. The guy acted like crazed simian and I feel comfortable describing his behavior as such.

Of course you're not going to apologize. It's just ironic that a self-professed "zomg i'll bust your teeth if you ever call me a racist to my face" (as if anyone here wants to meet you in person lol) guy finds it apt to compare an angry black person to a gorilla.

"Forgot he was black" lmao. Didn't you start this whole convo because it was about some lawyer who was going around repping black people who'd been shot by white people? Wasn't that the whole thing about it that stuck in your little craw?

[BananaStand]

"Forgot he was black" lmao. Didn't you start this whole convo because it was about some lawyer who was going around repping black people who'd been shot by white people? Wasn't that the whole thing about it that stuck in your little craw?

yeah, but then we started talking about the individual involved in the altercation, and his specific individual behavior. When race became irrelevant, I stopped thinking about it.

[BananaStand]

"zomg i'll bust your teeth if you ever call me a racist to my face"

Not what I said

[OngBonga]

Good job not being a racist there.

It didn't even occur to me that "gorilla" can be seen as racist, until you mentioned it.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... it's you who seems to have an obsession with skin colour. Here, you're basically suggesting there's a list of insults that are acceptable to be directed at white people, but not black people, of which "gorilla" is one of. That is racism, not insulting someone who happens to be black.

[BananaStand]

It didn't even occur to me that "gorilla" can be seen as racist, until you mentioned it.

It didn't occur to me either, even though I did know of the connection. It's just not something I'm sensitive to because I live in a state with like six black people and this doesn't come up very often.

Here, you're basically suggesting there's a list of insults that are acceptable to be directed at white people, but not black people.

It's not just him

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/polit...cks/index.html

Calling Steve Bannon a dog = Fine
Calling Omarosa a dog for the exact same reason in the exact same context = racism.

[OngBonga]

Calling Steve Bannon a dog = Fine
Calling Omarosa a dog for the exact same reason in the exact same context = racism.

I have no idea how "dog" can even be argued as racist. Rottweiler? Sure, but vague "dog"? That's as racially offensive as "fucking moronic idiot".