*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[oskar]

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To say you're veering off topic is an insult to the average object veering off. How does any of that relate to the child separation policy? All of the things you say could be true. I don't challenge them because they're irrelevant. Why do mexicans crossing the border - legally or illegally - because this is happening pre-trial, have their children abducted. And I'm not using emotive language. They take their children 0-17 years of age, in many cases don't have records which child was taken from which adult, and have no plans on reuniting them. How can you possibly defend this?
So far nothing you said relates to this policy directly or could be in any way used to justify it. If I'm overlooking something, feel free to point it out.

[Poopadoop]

How does any of that relate to the child separation policy?

I believe his defense was that separating children from their parents was an effective deterrent to being a non-white-non-US-citizen on US soil.

He then developed the defense that this was acceptable policy with the idea that people from a different culture/religion/whatever who emigrate are usually depraved criminals looking for fresh victims to satisfy their lust for babies. Also, something something about last night in Sweden, and no-go zones in Berlin where immigrants stab and rape any white person they come across.

Ong, maybe if you left your village in the Midlands once in a while and saw the world with your own eyes you might not have such a two-dimensionally retarded view of things.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ong, maybe if you left your village in the Midlands once in a while and saw the world with your own eyes you might not have such a two-dimensionally retarded view of things.

I don't agree with the tone, but I do agree with the sentiment.
Ethnocentrism is strong, here. It's almost exclusively due to people being afraid of other people.
Other people whom they've never met.
Other people whom they've never met whom are somehow less trustworthy than the criminals in their own families.

It's lazy hating based on thinly veiled fear.

Put your big kid pants on and stop living in fear, you scaredy cats.

[BananaStand]

And I'm not using emotive language

You sure 'bout that?

Why do mexicans crossing the border - legally or illegally - because this is happening pre-trial, have their children abducted.

^WTF?

Dude....why so much demagogue??? "Abducted"? You really wanna use that word? You REALLY think it's appropriate?

If so, then either A) You're hopelessly misinformed about vocabulary, or B) you lack the cognitive abilities to engage in a logical, fact-based, discussion on border policy. Which is it?

Your rhetoric clearly suggests that child-separation was a policy created purposefully for the purpose of enforcing the border. You seem to think it's done as punishment, or outright cruelty towards illegal immigrants. Like "Ha ha ha, we caught you crossing our border, now suffer the ultimate price and say good bye to your kids!!"

Criminals don't get to take their kids to jail with them.

that's NEVER been the case for any crime, ever. If you get caught stealing, or selling drugs, or vandalizing property...you go to jail. And your kids don't get to come with you. You either find someone to take them for you, or the state puts them in foster-care. That's how it's always worked, for every criminal ever. Immigrant and citizens alike.

Illegal border crossers had TWENTY FUCKING DAYS to call Uncle Jose and ask him to drive up to Juarez and pick up little Miguel. That's almost three friggen weeks to make arrangements for their kids. Turn on an episode of COPS sometime and watch them arrest people. Tell me how many times the criminal was allowed to say "Hey, I know you wanna take me to jail, but can we stall this for three weeks? I've got a kid"

Stop calling it a "child separation policy". That's bullshit demagoguery.

America has had decades now of Democratic leadership that refused to enforce the border. Trump got elected because he promised to enforce the border. Enforcing the border means that illegal immigrants aren't allowed to cross, and they get punished for trying.

Do you have a BETTER idea Oskar? I'm seriously asking. What policy would you suggest that effectively enforces the border? How would you keep the criminals and economic immigrants (as Ong described) out of the country? How would you disincentivize a crossing attempt?

Do you really think that border patrol should round people up and then say "Ok, everyone with kids is free to go. Better luck next time"

Do you see how INSANE that would be? Do you not see how you would be making a perverse and cruel incentive for people to take kids on this dangerous trek across the friggen desert?

Maybe you could say that border enforcement could have been a little "tighter" administratively. Maybe they could have kept better records for reunification purposes. Oh well, they didn't. And when it became a problem, Trump took action and fixed it. If you think that took too long, you're probably right. Congress should have fixed it immediately. Except the Democrats, led by Chuck Schumer decided to shrug and say "nah, not our problem".

After that, Trump issued an Executive Order and now families aren't separated anymore. You really can't ask for more than that. No one has bitched about family separations for almost two months now Oskar. yet here you are still ranting about "abductions".

have we talked about what demagoguery means???

I'm waiting now to hear YOUR incredibly effective and entirely humane border enforcement policy. What is it?