*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[wufwugy]

Had a conversation at the poker table recently.

Food and drink service in this card room is shockingly slow, even when they don't lose your order. It's been a prominent topic of complaint for quite some time now. [I'm turning into a degenerate low stakes reg, but that's another story]

The problem is that as waitstaff positions go, this one is the nut low. It's a small clientele. Most regs don't drink much. They pool tips. Etc. And there are better jobs out there. I can't drive a mile right now without seeing a half dozen "help wanted" signs. So this place is woefully understaffed, and service suffers. You can't do anything about it. The servers they do have do their best. They're not bad people. They're just tasked with the impossible. There's bottled water in the vending machine about 20 steps away from the table, so I manage to not be one of the complainers.

We decided that the problem is Trump. He's running the economy too fucking well, and there is too much competition for talent. So a place like this with shitty work and low pay can't run effectively. It was better under Obama, when there were fewer jobs and talented people had to do shitty work for low pay.

The problem is also Trump in that illegal alien labor has been vanishing after he got elected.

Of course, illegal aliens being an important source of labor is a problem of a broken immigration system (and probably broken domestic family).

The takeaway: immigrant labor is super important in the contemporary world. Though Trump's strategy of creating an upright and fair system is a good one, a bad side-effect has been downward pressure on what GDP could potentially be due to significant reduction in certain types of labor typically done by illegal aliens.

[BananaStand]

certain types of labor typically done by illegal aliens.

No such thing.

You can not name an occupation in America that is not staffed, in the vast majority, by American citizens. The notion that "immigrants do the jobs American's don't want to do" is demagogue bullshit purveyed by the left to justify open border policies. It's a scare tactic. They want you to worry yourself sick about "who's gonna mow the lawn??"

A god damn 12 year old will mow the lawn, ok. Tell him to put down the fucking X-box and get his ass outside.

[wufwugy]

No such thing.

You can not name an occupation in America that is not staffed, in the vast majority, by American citizens. The notion that "immigrants do the jobs American's don't want to do" is demagogue bullshit purveyed by the left to justify open border policies. It's a scare tactic. They want you to worry yourself sick about "who's gonna mow the lawn??"

A god damn 12 year old will mow the lawn, ok. Tell him to put down the fucking X-box and get his ass outside.

You are completely correct in your criticism here. To add to that, when we covered this in my labor economics class, my professor was pretty clear when he said it's not true that somebody "won't do that job", what is instead true is somebody "won't do that job for that price." This then raises the question why they won't do that job for that price.

I don't really want to get into that, though. You were discussing how the labor at your casino is shitty because the laborers are going to bigger and better jobs. A lot of those jobs being left are ones that include a lot of work done by illegal alien labor, which has been drying up since Trump. There is a way to transform the economy so that illegal aliens don't make up any important part of the labor supply. I just wanted to point out that Trump's actions are not a pure good. I don't disagree with his actions (I agree with them very much actually), but there are associated negatives.